[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMnrl0tmd3k&list=FLjjldD-OjviqpgoMip0dN3A&index=1&feature=plpp_video[/youtube]
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYw7eJYadco[/youtube]
and this
http://www.freesound.org/people/reinsamba/sounds/18766/play all 3 together tell me what you think.