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General => General Server Discussion => Tourney 6 (2014) => Topic started by: [MAF]Vertigo on June 05, 2014, 05:32:41 pm

Title: Format
Post by: [MAF]Vertigo on June 05, 2014, 05:32:41 pm
So guys, it's still gonna be tt, but here's the new layout.

I've taken inspiration from this year's world cup (and my original plans years ago) to make a league/knockout style tournament.

How it will work:
Group Stage
-Everyone will be randomly split into 16 groups of 5 players.
-The top players will be seeded through highscores to ensure that we don't get the 6 best players in the same group (kinda like champions league).
-Each player will 'race' every other player in the group twice. This means, with 5 in a group, everyone will race 8 times, with each tt race's times compared to one other player.
-Because of uneven numbers in each group, there will be 10 rounds and everyone will have 2 byes. I hope that makes sense for everyone.
-The winner of the tt dual will receive 3 points, the loser 0.
-For example: My first race is against mooman, and my time is 2 seconds faster,  so I get 3 points. My second race is against Snoopy, and my time is 10 seconds faster, so I get 3 points. In total I now have 6 points.
-After the 8 races, the two players with the most points will progress to the next stage.
-In the event of 2 or more players at the top of the group having the same points, a bonus round will be played, where the players with the best times will progress.

I think the biggest benefit of this is that if you have a problem in one race, say a timeout or some other bad luck, you are not immediately out of the tournament. You can still win other races to get to first or second place in the group and then progress to the knockout stage.

Knockout Stage
-After the group stage, the top 2 players from each group will be randomly drawn an opponent (probably the best idea is to draw each player who finished 1st against a player who finished 2nd in another group).
-The two players will drive a tt race, the driver with the best time progressing to the next round.

Here are examples of what I'm thinking:
(http://i.imgur.com/qCUlVuD.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/7p90o5K.png)

Could also add something like bonus points for the best overall time every round in the group stage or something.

I'm open to ideas, as this is the first time I've written all this down.

EDIT:
Not going to update the pictures, but as I've edited above, there will be 16 groups, with 5 players in each group.
Title: Re: Format
Post by: MadMax on June 05, 2014, 05:46:44 pm
intresting,

i guess there wont be many races, so post vehicles list like old times, no need damn voting this time
Title: Re: Format
Post by: Troublemaker on June 05, 2014, 05:49:42 pm
Also, make sure you put the most popular vehicles in first several rounds, I don't want to race with super gt/sabre/hotring in the first race...
Title: Re: Format
Post by: [MAF]Snoopy on June 05, 2014, 05:55:52 pm
yay I was used as an example! :D
Title: Re: Format
Post by: MadMax on June 05, 2014, 06:05:20 pm
Also, make sure you put the most popular vehicles in first several rounds, I don't want to race with super gt/sabre/hotring in the first race...

just go up by speeds

1st slower cars (sultan, flash etc) to end on banshee, bullet hotring and infernus
Title: Re: Format
Post by: Żurrieq on June 05, 2014, 06:24:55 pm
I'm looking foward to this :D it's my first time to participate Tourneys  :blank:
Title: Re: Format
Post by: pajk on June 05, 2014, 06:54:43 pm
nice
Title: Re: Format
Post by: [FSR]Ush on June 05, 2014, 11:41:01 pm
Vertigo wins the tourney :'(
Title: Re: Format
Post by: [MAF]Vertigo on June 06, 2014, 02:41:43 am
Vertigo wins the tourney :'(

In my dreams :(

Max, I might count the voting so that people vote for cars in categories, so that maybe we get some different cars this time. Maybe mower!
Title: Re: Format
Post by: miko on June 06, 2014, 09:58:22 am
2 or 3 cars from each category would be good aswell
Title: Re: Format
Post by: [MAF]Vertigo on June 06, 2014, 10:20:06 am
Yeah, something like that.
Title: Re: Format
Post by: Rob_Zamora on June 06, 2014, 11:00:33 am
I like it good job
Title: Re: Format
Post by: miko on June 06, 2014, 11:33:57 am
great idea. i like it too
Title: Re: Format
Post by: EleGy on June 06, 2014, 11:38:57 am
Cool idea. I like it
Title: Re: Format
Post by: Exodus on June 06, 2014, 11:46:23 am
Awesome idea, I like it!
Title: Re: Format
Post by: Troublemaker on June 06, 2014, 11:48:07 am
Amazing idea, I love it.
Title: Re: Format
Post by: [MAF]Snoopy on June 06, 2014, 12:02:36 pm
Brilliant idea, love it! A++++++++
Title: Re: Format
Post by: [MAF]Aj_Lajk_Bir on June 06, 2014, 03:51:00 pm
yay I was used as an example! :D
lol
Title: Re: Format
Post by: Torete_[GT] on June 08, 2014, 12:39:51 am
yay I was used as an example! :D
... tho' I got the lowest score in the very first round like if I'm garbage :(
Title: Re: Format
Post by: [AK47]Goodfella on June 08, 2014, 06:56:11 pm
I like it too  :police:
Title: Re: Format
Post by: [AK47]Crystal on June 09, 2014, 02:17:17 pm
Everyone loves it, so me too ! :-*
Title: Re: Format
Post by: [2F2F]zero on June 09, 2014, 03:33:31 pm
A++
Title: Re: Format
Post by: [NSG]sannii on June 09, 2014, 06:24:23 pm
Good job, i like it too.  ;)
Title: Re: Format
Post by: [FSR]Ush on June 09, 2014, 07:00:53 pm
it is weird, dodger shows up and right at that time we have a tourney starting :L
Title: Re: Format
Post by: Mute. on June 09, 2014, 07:25:42 pm
i think the tourney is the only reason he's back
Title: Re: Format
Post by: Troublemaker on June 09, 2014, 08:20:18 pm
i think the tourney is the only reason he's back

I think we should have tourneys more often, to keep him here  :L
Title: Re: Format
Post by: [2F2F]Hellmuth on June 10, 2014, 11:53:25 am
Interesting
Title: Re: Format
Post by: [MAF]Vertigo on June 12, 2014, 08:19:52 am
Updated the first post a little bit.

As for the vehicle votes, choose wisely! There will be 13 rounds in total, and 14 vehicles chosen. One will be a spare, in the event of a bonus round being played.
Title: Re: Format
Post by: Żurrieq on June 12, 2014, 11:55:12 am
When is the poll? i mean the draw of the group :P
Title: Re: Format
Post by: [MAF]Vertigo on June 12, 2014, 12:19:17 pm
I guess now that all 80 slots are filled, it will be done as soon as mooman is ready :P
Title: Re: Format
Post by: [MAF]Vertigo on June 22, 2014, 02:38:12 pm
Just modified the first post

Quote
-Because of uneven numbers in each group, there will be 10 rounds and everyone will have 2 byes. I hope that makes sense for everyone.
Title: Re: Format
Post by: [FSR]Ush on June 22, 2014, 02:54:06 pm
2 byes?
Title: Re: Format
Post by: [MAF]Vertigo on June 22, 2014, 02:57:07 pm
This means you will not race 2 of the 10 rounds.

EDIT: Sorry, you can race, but it won't count for points. You won't be racing against anybody.
Title: Re: Format
Post by: [MAF]Vertigo on June 26, 2014, 06:42:37 pm
Also, because I miss calculated, 2 more vehicles will need to be selected for the tourney (10 rounds in the group stages, not 8). I'll let Max choose or something, because he cares so much.
Title: Re: Format
Post by: Mute. on June 26, 2014, 06:47:39 pm
lol please don't let max choose, he'll choose securicar or something
Title: Re: Format
Post by: MadMax on June 26, 2014, 06:49:32 pm
Also, because I miss calculated, 2 more vehicles will need to be selected for the tourney (10 rounds in the group stages, not 8). I'll let Max choose or something, because he cares so much.

Infernus, FCR 900
Title: Re: Format
Post by: Mute. on June 26, 2014, 06:50:05 pm
ok that's not actually that bad
Title: Re: Format
Post by: Troublemaker on June 26, 2014, 07:11:19 pm
You should also announce schedule of each round of group stage... :D
Title: Re: Format
Post by: miko on June 26, 2014, 08:04:38 pm
infernus -___-
Title: Re: Format
Post by: [MAF]Vertigo on June 27, 2014, 03:52:00 am
omg Infernus is so overused, why do you wan Infernus TT? We want not overused cars! lol   :L
Title: Re: Format
Post by: MadMax on June 27, 2014, 07:05:02 am
it's fastest car, and if we like or don't, definetly deserves to be there.
sadly we got both cheetah AND bullet, coz they are pretty similar tho, infernus got more challenging handling
Title: Re: Format
Post by: [XV]Lukas on June 27, 2014, 05:18:48 pm
Also, because I miss calculated, 2 more vehicles will need to be selected for the tourney (10 rounds in the group stages, not 8). I'll let Max choose or something, because he cares so much.

Infernus, FCR 900
Id rather see PCJ 600 than FCR , don't think we raced so much races with it.

it's fastest car, and if we like or don't, definetly deserves to be there.
sadly we got both cheetah AND bullet, coz they are pretty similar tho, infernus got more challenging handling
Thats the thing which ended stupid, as you said they are similiar, would be better if one of them gets removed and stays with infernus. And maybe also better adding in that place one more Normal Car.
Title: Re: Format
Post by: [MAF]Vertigo on June 28, 2014, 03:01:04 pm
I really don't care which vehicles. But good news is, I'll make round 1 tomorrow!

EDIT: I'll use cheetah for the bonus round. If a bonus round isn't needed, then no cheetah.
Title: Re: Format
Post by: [FSR]Ush on June 28, 2014, 03:09:55 pm
So we can race tomorrow? Hah, I will be able to do 1 race this tourney :L
Title: Re: Format
Post by: Torete_[GT] on June 28, 2014, 04:19:17 pm
I was afraid I couldn't race this time. Luckily I'm finally free and be back at home tomorrow, just in time 8)
Title: Re: Format
Post by: [RTF]elanista on June 28, 2014, 07:20:53 pm
why cheetah :(
Title: Re: Format
Post by: [MAF]Vertigo on June 29, 2014, 03:50:00 am
Cause cheetah or bullet so whatever lol. Vehicles for each round will be selected randomly from the top votes btw
Title: Re: Format
Post by: Troublemaker on June 29, 2014, 01:36:03 pm
When you gonna make first round, you said today  :police:
Title: Re: Format
Post by: [MAF]Vertigo on June 29, 2014, 04:10:18 pm
Sorry guys, definitely tomorrow, 1 last thing to check.
Title: Re: Format
Post by: Hellcat on June 29, 2014, 10:44:49 pm
If someone doesn't want to participate, tell me please, I would like very much to participate.
Title: Re: Format
Post by: [MAF]Snoopy on June 30, 2014, 08:41:40 am
Take my place
Title: Re: Format
Post by: [MAF]Vertigo on June 30, 2014, 08:53:01 am
Can't change things now, unless mooman wants to.
Title: Re: Format
Post by: Hellcat on July 01, 2014, 10:16:31 am
Ok
Title: Re: Format
Post by: Żurrieq on July 19, 2014, 11:38:31 am
Can we race the knockout rounds for fun if we don't qualify for the knockout stage?
Title: Re: Format
Post by: Ra Fi on July 19, 2014, 02:09:08 pm
I think yes :P
Title: Re: Format
Post by: [MAF]Vertigo on July 19, 2014, 04:48:17 pm
Yes
Title: Re: Format
Post by: [FSR]Ush on July 19, 2014, 11:33:30 pm
Shame I only drive one of the last 2 races, no chance to proceed now :D

or maybe there's.. /pm vertigo
Title: Re: Format
Post by: pajk on July 21, 2014, 04:28:41 pm
who will win the group if first 2 players have same points? me and max will have both 18 if i win last round
Title: Re: Format
Post by: Troublemaker on July 21, 2014, 04:29:52 pm
who will win the group if first 2 players have same points? me and max will have both 18 if i win last round

I guess there will be bonus round in that case.
Title: Re: Format
Post by: Terrabyte on July 21, 2014, 04:46:31 pm
who will win the group if first 2 players have same points? me and max will have both 18 if i win last round
(http://i.imgur.com/qCUlVuD.png)
Title: Re: Format
Post by: pajk on July 21, 2014, 04:50:18 pm
In that picture gornall and vertigo have same points and there is no bonus round, thats why i asked
Title: Re: Format
Post by: [MAF]mooman on July 21, 2014, 05:00:00 pm
that's because 2 people per round progress
Title: Re: Format
Post by: pajk on July 21, 2014, 05:11:03 pm
I get it, but i was curious because
-After the group stage, the top 2 players from each group will be randomly drawn an opponent (probably the best idea is to draw each player who finished 1st against a player who finished 2nd in another group).
Title: Re: Format
Post by: [MAF]Snoopy on July 21, 2014, 06:02:55 pm
most confusing tourney ever. i suggest going back to the simple way next year with single eliminations (the original)
Title: Re: Format
Post by: Żurrieq on July 21, 2014, 06:12:06 pm
I think he will check who is first and second like this:

1st: pajko  18
2nd:Madmax 18

and he will check the 2 rounds that both top 2 played against eachother and will check the time difference (like goal differences in Football Group stages)

the player who has better difference will be 1st place. and so on.
Title: Re: Format
Post by: Troublemaker on July 21, 2014, 06:21:33 pm
No, when two players have the same number of points, you have to check who won the duels between them two.
Title: Re: Format
Post by: Żurrieq on July 21, 2014, 06:27:06 pm
No, when two players have the same number of points, you have to check who won the duels between them two.

What happens if:

Player 1 wins against Player 2
Player 2 wins against Player 1?

That will end up as a tie :P That is why it is better to check the time difference between them.
Title: Re: Format
Post by: Troublemaker on July 21, 2014, 06:39:03 pm
Firstly it's being checked what I said, and after that, in case they both won one duel, time/goal difference decides, just like in football :D
Title: Re: Format
Post by: [MAF]Vertigo on July 22, 2014, 06:00:54 am
Sorry guys, oversight on my part.

Firstly, we will look at the duels like Makaveli said. If it is 2-0, then it's decided like that.

If it's 1-1 like in Zurrieq's example, then it can also be decided in the bonus round.
Title: Re: Format
Post by: Scorpion. on July 23, 2014, 08:07:56 pm
Sorry guys, oversight on my part.

Firstly, we will look at the duels like Makaveli said. If it is 2-0, then it's decided like that.

If it's 1-1 like in Zurrieq's example, then it can also be decided in the bonus round.
well in my group, me and inzaner with the same points, so we need to do a play-off for decide who's the first player in the group

vertigo u agree with me?
Title: Re: Format
Post by: Żurrieq on July 23, 2014, 10:22:20 pm
Sorry guys, oversight on my part.

Firstly, we will look at the duels like Makaveli said. If it is 2-0, then it's decided like that.

If it's 1-1 like in Zurrieq's example, then it can also be decided in the bonus round.
well in my group, me and inzaner with the same points, so we need to do a play-off for decide who's the first player in the group

vertigo u agree with me?

Well, you won against inzaner and inzaner won against you in the other round so it is 1-1...so play off for both of you. Tge player who will get better time will become 1st while the loser will become 2nd.
Title: Re: Format
Post by: [MAF]Vertigo on July 24, 2014, 04:47:36 am
Correct Zurrieq.
Title: Re: Format
Post by: [MAF]Vertigo on July 26, 2014, 04:42:44 pm
Just letting you guys know, the bonus round is not far away.
Title: Re: Format
Post by: MadMax on July 26, 2014, 09:03:40 pm
who will win the group if first 2 players have same points? me and max will have both 18 if i win last round
(http://i.imgur.com/qCUlVuD.png)

thats it, i guess as we are only ones in our grip who got tie, then we both pass
Title: Re: Format
Post by: [MAF]mooman on July 27, 2014, 12:36:42 pm
i'll do the code for the bonus round soon, sorry for the delay!
Title: Re: Format
Post by: [FSR]Ush on July 27, 2014, 08:41:14 pm
1 april 2015 :L
Title: Re: Format
Post by: [NSG]sannii on July 30, 2014, 06:49:20 pm
I'm next week on holidays, so most likely i cant finish the tourney.
Is it possible that the player at the third place (in this case its Scarface) can take my place, because he is just one point behind me and it wouldn't be fine, when i take his place away and i cant drive myself.