Well we've just had a huge debate on the server about a simple calculation, and I decided to post the logs since a lot of it was quite funny
I think some of it will interest mooman
[22:04:00] [aXs]Joeee [1]:{ffffff} lol @ Warran_Enkins' appology topic
[22:04:02] gavish_gooch
- :{ffffff} thats the socket and the clock speed, not the model number
[22:04:09] Adi finished 13th in 2:35.300 (Score:+3.03)
[22:04:11]
[aXs]Joeee [1]:{ffffff} "I'm not trying to get unbanned"
[22:04:14] [PR]Explosion has left the server! ({FF0000}Leaving{AFAFAF}) 78.36.177.5
[22:04:23] [LSR]Scorpion [2]:{ffffff} gavish is a ga-8ipe775 cpu socket 775 3.4 GHZ
[22:04:29] [aXs]Joeee [1]:{ffffff} when he's obviously posting just to improve his chances
[22:04:35] Voting Over! {00B4FF}NOT-SK{0AFF0A} wins with {00B4FF}5{0AFF0A} votes
[22:04:35] gavish_gooch
- :{ffffff} yeah that doesnt contain the model number
[22:04:37] *** {0AFF0A}
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[22:04:43] NOT-SK {00B4FF}by{00FF93} [LSD]F4lc0N {00B4FF}3.0 Miles [28/5/2009]
[22:04:43] {FFFF00}1:42.188 by [2F2F]Best_rage_2011{00FF93} {00B4FF}Time Trial None
[22:04:43] [Personal Best] Record time for :NOT-SK - 1:49.672
[22:04:44] [ERROR] No players found
[22:04:44] [PR]Explosion has left the server! ({FF0000}Leaving{AFAFAF}) 78.36.177.5
[22:04:49] gavish_gooch
- :{ffffff} that could be anything from a pentium 4 to a core2quad extreme
[22:04:51]
[LSR]Scorpion [2]:{ffffff} there isn'
[22:04:54] MadMax[MAF] [18]:{ffffff} his chanced improved by 100'/.
[22:04:59] MadMax[MAF] [18]:{ffffff} he had 0 before
[22:05:05] [aXs]Joeee [1]:{ffffff} haha
[22:05:06] gavish_gooch
- :{ffffff} is it the pc you have?
[22:05:14]
[aXs]Joeee [1]:{ffffff} and 100percent of 0 is 0
[22:05:56] [aXs]Joeee [1]:{ffffff} '/.
[22:05:59] [aXs]Joeee [1]:{ffffff} woo percent
[22:06:02] MadMax[MAF] has left the server! ({FF0000}Timeout{AFAFAF}) 83.30.6.46
[22:06:06] *** {0AFF0A}MadMax[MAF]{00FF00} (Poland) has joined the server [Registered Player] 6 83.30.73.91
[22:06:13] gavish_gooch
- :{ffffff} depends. id you say he has 0 percent but its improved by 100 percent
[22:06:16] gavish_gooch - :{ffffff} then it is 100 percent
[22:06:23]
[aXs]Joeee [1]:{ffffff} nope.
[22:06:25] MadMax[MAF] [6]:{ffffff} 100 percent of 0 ?
[22:06:28] gavish_gooch
- :{ffffff} no
[22:06:29] *** {0AFF0A}Donnie_Darko{00FF00} (Romania) has joined the server
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[22:06:29] MadMax[MAF] [6]:{ffffff} 100/0 ?
[22:06:42] MadMax[MAF] [6]:{ffffff} lets say
[22:06:42] gavish_gooch
- :{ffffff} 0 percent plus 100 percent is 100 percent
[22:06:47] MadMax
[MAF] [6]:{ffffff} i have 0 cakes
[22:06:47] gavish_gooch
- :{ffffff} let me finish please max
[22:06:48] Bender finished 1st in 1:48.103 (Score:+8.00)
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[PR]Brasco finished 2nd in 1:48.380 (Score:+6.52)
[22:06:49] Vigan finished 3rd in 1:49.231 (Score:+6.24)
[22:06:49] palm_tree finished 4th in 1:49.342 (Score:+5.94)
[22:06:50] gavish_gooch
[LSR]TunniQ finished 5th in 1:54.899 (Score:+5.64)
[22:06:55] Spoux finished 6th in 1:55.402 (Score:+5.32)
[22:06:58] *** {0AFF0A}EDtheMAD{00FF00} (Germany) has joined the server [Registered Player] 12 213.39.206.197
[22:06:58] gavish_gooch
- :{ffffff} i know exactly what you are gonna say so let me finish
[22:07:00]
[aXs]Joeee [1]:{ffffff} 0 percent plus 100 percent of that is 0 percent
[22:07:02] convoy21 finished 7th in 2:02.653 (Score:+5.11)
[22:07:02] MadMax[MAF] [6]:{ffffff} you have 50'/. more tham me
[22:07:04] gavish_gooch
- :{ffffff} no
[22:07:05] gavish_gooch - :{ffffff} NO
[22:07:06] Pshih finished 8th in 2:06.084 (Score:+4.80)
[22:07:06] gavish_gooch - :{ffffff} dude
[22:07:08] Davidoff
[PL] finished 9th in 2:08.104 (Score:+4.49)
[22:07:09] Bender has left the server! ({FF0000}Rage Quit{AFAFAF}) 201.212.144.94
[22:07:10] [aXs]Joeee [1]:{ffffff} that's how percentage increase works though gavish
[22:07:13] *** {0AFF0A}Witchfynde{00FF00} (Lithuania) has joined the server [Registered Player] 4 78.60.249.118
[22:07:14] Pshih has left the server! ({FF0000}Leaving{AFAFAF}) 2.95.244.123
[22:07:15] gavish_gooch
- :{ffffff} both of you shut up and i will inform you how you are wrong
[22:07:22]
[aXs]Joeee [1]:{ffffff} lol nazi
[22:07:23] [aXs]Joeee [1]:{ffffff} but okay
[22:07:24] Sourcey has left the server! ({FF0000}Leaving{AFAFAF}) 41.143.15.20
[22:07:24] Witchfynde has entered /TV
[22:07:29] gavish_gooch
- :{ffffff} you are changing the statement
[22:07:36] Adi finished 10th in 2:35.923 (Score:+3.78)
[22:07:40] Siames_Cout finished 11th in 2:40.160 (Score:+3.40)
[22:07:43] gavish_gooch - :{ffffff} i am saying 100 percent plus 0 percent is 100 percent, and vice versa
[22:07:43] *** {0AFF0A}
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[22:07:55] SERVER: Unknown command.
[22:07:57] Voting Over! {00B4FF}Redemption-SK{0AFF0A} wins with {00B4FF}6{0AFF0A} votes
[22:07:58] [ERROR] Please enter as a driver first
[22:07:58] MadMax[MAF] [6]:{ffffff} but still 0
[22:08:01] Witchfynde is now back racing!
[22:08:02] *** {0AFF0A}[RS]Guesh{00FF00} (France) has joined the server [Registered Player] 15 82.227.247.90
[22:08:05] gavish_gooch
- :{ffffff} when you are applying a percentage increase to a tangible quantity however, it
[22:08:05] is different
[22:08:05] Redemption-SK {00B4FF}by{00FF93} Snoopy {00B4FF}4.4 Miles [5/11/2009]
[22:08:05] {FFFF00}2:28.124 by MadMax
[MAF]{00FF93} {00B4FF}SK Hardcore Parkour
[22:08:09] gavish_gooch
- :{ffffff} you need to distinguish
[22:08:10] MadMax
[MAF] [6]:{ffffff} ot is 100 percent of 0
[22:08:16] gavish_gooch
- :{ffffff} no
[22:08:22] gavish_gooch - :{ffffff} you dont get it
[22:08:23] MadMax
[MAF] [6]:{ffffff} lets say thing way
[22:08:29] [aXs]Joeee [1]:{ffffff} I get what you're trying to say gavish
[22:08:32] gavish_gooch
- :{ffffff} what is 100 percent plus 0 percent max?
[22:08:45] MadMax
[MAF] [6]:{ffffff} you work as a dirty n***** in some cotton plantation
[22:08:46] gavish_gooch
- :{ffffff} surely basic addition doesnt change, if you reverse the values
[22:08:51] MadMax
[MAF] [6]:{ffffff} your earing is 0
[22:09:00] [aXs]Joeee [1]:{ffffff} lmao max
[22:09:00] MadMax[MAF] [6]:{ffffff} your master says
[22:09:11] *** {0AFF0A}Alfred_Millan{00FF00} (Spain) has joined the server [Registered Player] 16 90.164.158.185
[22:09:12] *** {0AFF0A}Raig{00FF00} (Spain) has joined the server [Registered Player] 18 83.45.182.204
[22:09:13] gavish_gooch
- :{ffffff} percentage increasing is basically multiplication in a sense
[22:09:16] Donnie_Darko [7]:{ffffff} force
[22:09:17]
[RS]Guesh [15]:{ffffff} bienvu brasco
[22:09:18] [RS]Guesh [15]:{ffffff}
[22:09:20] [aXs]Joeee [1]:{ffffff} implying "dirty n*****" is a job title
[22:09:21] gavish_gooch
- :{ffffff} not addition
[22:09:22] MadMax
[MAF] [6]:{ffffff} 'i will increase your earing by 50 percent of your current
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[22:09:41] gavish_gooch
- :{ffffff} max what is 100 + 0
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[22:09:45] gavish_gooch - :{ffffff} what is 0 + 100
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[22:09:49] gavish_gooch - :{ffffff} are they not the samer
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[22:09:50] gavish_gooch - :{ffffff} same
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[22:09:55] MadMax
[MAF] [6]:{ffffff} 0 + 50'/. from 0
[22:10:03] gavish_gooch
- :{ffffff} NO MAX
[22:10:09] gavish_gooch - :{ffffff} you are a fucking moron, seriously
[22:10:15]
[aXs]Joeee [1]:{ffffff} lol.
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[22:10:18] gavish_gooch
- :{ffffff} 0 percent plus 50 percent is 50 percent
[22:10:22] gavish_gooch - :{ffffff} because its ADDITION
[22:10:25] MadMax
[MAF] [6]:{ffffff} how much you would earn if you get 50 percent of your current earings
[22:10:31] [aXs]Joeee [1]:{ffffff} yeah gavish
[22:10:33] MadMax[MAF] [6]:{ffffff} if your current arigs is 0
[22:10:35] gavish_gooch
- :{ffffff} 100 add 50 percent is 150 because its multiplication
[22:10:44] gavish_gooch - :{ffffff} you are multiplying 100 by 1.5
[22:10:51]
[aXs]Joeee [1]:{ffffff} but the percentage is his the percentage of his chance to get unbanned
[22:10:54] [aXs]Joeee [1]:{ffffff} which was 0 anyway
[22:11:02] gavish_gooch
- :{ffffff} yeah, its a percentagwe
[22:11:04]
[aXs]Joeee [1]:{ffffff} 100 percent add 50 percent means nothing
[22:11:14] MadMax[MAF] [6]:{ffffff} if you have 0
[22:11:15] gavish_gooch
- :{ffffff} so increasing your chances from 0 percent to 50 percent makes 50 percent
[22:11:15] chance
[22:11:15]
[aXs]Joeee [1]:{ffffff} so yeah, his chances are 100 percent...
[22:11:18] [aXs]Joeee [1]:{ffffff} ...of nothing
[22:11:22] gavish_gooch
- :{ffffff} no
[22:11:23] MadMax
[MAF] [6]:{ffffff} ok, so lets ansewer me
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[22:11:24] [aXs]Joeee [1]:{ffffff} which is 0
[22:11:31] *** {0AFF0A}Ploser{00FF00} (Poland) has joined the server [Registered Player] 19 150.254.145.116
[22:11:50] MadMax[MAF] [6]:{ffffff} your boss gives you + 50'/. FROM your current earings
[22:11:50] gavish_gooch
- :{ffffff} 0 percent plus 50 percent is 50 percent because you do it as an addition not a
[22:11:50] multiplication, so you are not multiplying
[22:11:53] gavish_gooch - :{ffffff} anything by 0
[22:12:21]
[PR]Brasco finished 1st in 2:35.885 (Score:+12.72)
[22:12:25] [aXs]Joeee [1]:{ffffff} yeah, but that "50'/." is 50'/. OF NOTHING.
[22:12:26] palm_tree finished 2nd in 2:40.512 (Score:+10.43)
[22:12:26] MadMax[MAF] [6]:{ffffff} so from oother hand ?
[22:12:32] [LSR]TunniQ finished 3rd in 2:46.888 (Score:+9.13)
[22:12:32] gavish_gooch
- :{ffffff} no, it isnt
[22:12:33]
[RS]Guesh finished 4th in 2:48.296 (Score:+9.65)
[22:12:36] [aXs]Joeee [1]:{ffffff} it is
[22:12:45] MadMax[MAF] [6]:{ffffff} stfu and answer me, ok
[22:12:52] Spoux finished 5th in 3:06.623 (Score:+8.40)
[22:12:53] MadMax[MAF] [6]:{ffffff} i earn $10
[22:12:56] [PR]Explosion finished 6th in 3:11.195 (Score:+8.02)
[22:12:57] gavish_gooch
- :{ffffff} max i told you you are wrong, you keep repeating the same invalid argument
[22:12:58] Vigan finished 7th in 3:13.034 (Score:+7.64)
[22:13:05] gavish_gooch - :{ffffff} it doesnt apply when you are adding percentages
[22:13:06] MadMax
[MAF] [6]:{ffffff} and boss increases it by 50 percent
[22:13:08] Witchfynde finished 8th in 3:22.642 (Score:+7.25)
[22:13:12] MadMax[MAF] [6]:{ffffff} how much i earn now ?
[22:13:20] Ploser [19]:{ffffff} $15 ?
[22:13:20] convoy21 finished 9th in 3:34.511 (Score:+6.85)
[22:13:21] [aXs]Joeee [1]:{ffffff} yeah gavish, but that's because percentages have no contect
[22:13:28] gavish_gooch
- :{ffffff} max, your argument is so wrong its not worth an answer
[22:13:40]
[aXs]Joeee [1]:{ffffff} when you then put that percentage into context, which in this case is his chance
[22:13:40] of getting unbanned
[22:13:42] [aXs]Joeee [1]:{ffffff} which was 0
[22:13:45] Donnie_Darko finished 10th in 3:59.594 (Score:+6.45)
[22:13:47] MadMax[MAF] [6]:{ffffff} how the fuck you can get something from 2 nothings ?
[22:13:50] [aXs]Joeee [1]:{ffffff} ^
[22:13:52] EDtheMAD finished 11th in 4:06.984 (Score:+6.03)
[22:13:54] gavish_gooch
- :{ffffff} no, the context implied that his chances were 0 percent
[22:13:57] Voting Over! {00B4FF}Desert_Rider{0AFF0A} wins with {00B4FF}3{0AFF0A} votes
[22:14:03] EDtheMAD has left the server! ({FF0000}Leaving{AFAFAF}) 213.39.206.197
[22:14:05] Desert_Rider {00B4FF}by{00FF93} Matafix {00B4FF}3.2 Miles [15/11/2009] 15/11/09
[22:14:05] {FFFF00}1:43.988 by
[MAF]Phobos{00FF93} {00B4FF} None
[22:14:10] MadMax[MAF] [6]:{ffffff} so i say
[22:14:12] [aXs]Joeee [1]:{ffffff} #
[22:14:12] gavish_gooch
- :{ffffff} saying his chances increased by 50 percent
[22:14:17] gavish_gooch - :{ffffff} would make it a 50/50 chance
[22:14:18] MadMax
[MAF] [6]:{ffffff} his chances are twice bigger now
[22:14:23] *** {0AFF0A}[VE]Paget00{00FF00} (Venezuela) has joined the server [Registered Player] 12 186.14.137.201
[22:14:32] gavish_gooch
- :{ffffff} YES MAX you finally get it.
[22:14:34] gavish_gooch - :{ffffff} if you said that
[22:14:40] gavish_gooch - :{ffffff} its a multiplication not an addition
[22:14:40]
[aXs]Joeee [1]:{ffffff} but twice bigger than 0 is 0
[22:14:45] gavish_gooch
- :{ffffff} so it would have been correct
[22:14:49] gavish_gooch - :{ffffff} but that is a different statement
[22:14:51] gavish_gooch - :{ffffff} finally
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[aXs]Joeee [1]:{ffffff} that's what max said in the first place
[22:15:04] [aXs]Joeee [1]:{ffffff} increasing by 100percent is doubling
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[22:15:10] MadMax[MAF] [6]:{ffffff} ye
[22:15:11] [aXs]Joeee [1]:{ffffff} we're increasing 0 by 100percent
[22:15:12] gavish_gooch
- :{ffffff} not when adding percentages
[22:15:14]
[aXs]Joeee [1]:{ffffff} 0 doubled is 0
[22:15:26] MadMax[MAF] [6]:{ffffff} 100 + 100'/. = 200
[22:15:31] *** {0AFF0A}Siames_Cout{00FF00} (Brazil) has joined the server 5 187.107.198.160
[22:15:34] MadMax[MAF] [6]:{ffffff} 100 * 2 = same
[22:15:57] gavish_gooch
- :{ffffff} if your chance of winning this argument was 0 percent (which it is)
[22:16:00]
[LSR]Scorpion [2]:{ffffff} bye
[22:16:08] gavish_gooch
- :{ffffff} but then your chance of winning miraculously increased by 100#
[22:16:08] palm_tree [8]:{ffffff} bella
[22:16:11] gavish_gooch - :{ffffff} what chance would you have?
[22:16:11]
[LSR]TunniQ finished 1st in 1:49.593 (Score:+8.08)
[22:16:12] [PR]Explosion finished 2nd in 1:49.694 (Score:+6.66)
[22:16:12] MadMax[MAF] [6]:{ffffff} and doubled is still 0
[22:16:12] Witchfynde finished 3rd in 1:49.885 (Score:+6.45)
[22:16:12] Donnie_Darko finished 4th in 1:50.352 (Score:+6.23)
[22:16:15] *** {0AFF0A}Gallant_Moose{00FF00} (Poland) has joined the server [Registered Player] 20 77.253.233.105
[22:16:15] palm_tree finished 5th in 1:52.860 (Score:+6.05)
[22:16:15] [LSR]Scorpion [2]:{ffffff} ciao over
[22:16:16] convoy21 has left the server! ({FF0000}Leaving{AFAFAF}) 62.241.105.127
[22:16:16] [LSR]Scorpion has left the server! ({FF0000}Leaving{AFAFAF}) 151.70.43.103
[22:16:16] [LSR]TunniQ [10]:{ffffff} ufff
[22:16:17] Ploser finished 6th in 1:55.180 (Score:+5.70)
[22:16:18] Spoux finished 7th in 1:55.797 (Score:+5.45)
[22:16:20] Vigan finished 8th in 1:57.950 (Score:+5.19)
[22:16:20] [PR]Brasco finished 9th in 1:58.561 (Score:+4.92)
[22:16:27] [RS]Guesh finished 10th in 2:05.308 (Score:+4.64)
[22:16:28] [VE]Paget00 finished 11th in 2:06.195 (Score:+4.36)
[22:16:28] [LSR]TunniQ [10]:{ffffff} that was close :D
[22:16:30] [aXs]Joeee [1]:{ffffff} yeah, if his 0 chance increased by 100 percent
[22:16:30] Davidoff[PL] finished 12th in 2:08.164 (Score:+4.07)
[22:16:32] [aXs]Joeee [1]:{ffffff} it would still be 0
[22:16:35] Adi finished 13th in 2:12.691 (Score:+3.77)
[22:16:36] [RS]Guesh [15]:{ffffff} Adi u Suck !!
[22:16:39] MadMax[MAF] [6]:{ffffff} of course
[22:16:42] gavish_gooch
- :{ffffff} joe seriously stop trolling
[22:16:46]
[aXs]Joeee [1]:{ffffff} for.
[22:16:46] MadMax[MAF] [6]:{ffffff} it is like i said
[22:16:47] [aXs]Joeee [1]:{ffffff} fuck.
[22:16:48] [aXs]Joeee [1]:{ffffff} sake.
[22:16:50] [aXs]Joeee [1]:{ffffff} gavin.
[22:16:56] Adi [28]:{ffffff} Morda psie
[22:16:59] Joakinn finished 14th in 2:36.888 (Score:+3.46)
[22:17:03] [aXs]Joeee [1]:{ffffff} I'm not trolling, it's basic maths
[22:17:06] gavish_gooch
- :{ffffff} i really don't see how i can explain it any clearer to you
[22:17:08] Ploser [19]:{ffffff} language, adi
[22:17:09] palm_tree [8]:{ffffff} statistics
[22:17:10] MadMax
[MAF] [6]:{ffffff} how the fuck you wanna get something from doubling nothing ?
[22:17:15] gavish_gooch
- :{ffffff} no max
[22:17:16] MadMax
[MAF] finished 15th in 2:54.478 (Score:+3.15)
[22:17:17] gavish_gooch
- :{ffffff} not doubling
[22:17:23] Voting Over! {00B4FF}Lolete-SK{0AFF0A} wins with {00B4FF}5{0AFF0A} votes
[22:17:24]
[aXs]Joeee [1]:{ffffff} increasing by 100percent...
[22:17:26] gavish_gooch
- :{ffffff} doubling is a multiplication function
[22:17:27]
[aXs]Joeee [1]:{ffffff} ...which is doubling
[22:17:29] Adi [28]:{ffffff} guesh noob
[22:17:31] [aXs]Joeee has entered /TV
[22:17:31] Lolete-SK {00B4FF}by{00FF93} [LSD]Driver {00B4FF}3.2 Miles [13/8/2009]
[22:17:31] {FFFF00}1:48.438 by [LSR]Bootsyou{00FF93} {00B4FF}SK Hardcore Parkour
[22:17:34] gavish_gooch
- :{ffffff} increasing by 100 percent is addition
[22:17:34] MadMax
[MAF] [6]:{ffffff} so what is addind 100 percent to someting
[22:17:40] gavish_gooch
- :{ffffff} you know the difference, right?
[22:17:45]
[aXs]Joeee [1]:{ffffff} yeah, and it has the same effect as doubling
[22:17:50] Ploser [19]:{ffffff} this ain't no maths, I see. just wordplay
[22:17:53] gavish_gooch
- :{ffffff} when applying it to a value, yes
[22:18:00] gavish_gooch - :{ffffff} when applying it to a percentage, no
[22:18:07]
[aXs]Joeee [1]:{ffffff} that value being his 0 percent chance of getting unbanned
[22:18:14] MadMax[MAF] [6]:{ffffff} 1 increased by 1 = doubled
[22:18:16] gavish_gooch
- :{ffffff} value being a percentage
[22:18:20] gavish_gooch - :{ffffff} see where you went wrong now?
[22:18:24] MadMax
[MAF] [6]:{ffffff} 1 increased by 100'/. = doubled
[22:18:31] gavish_gooch
- :{ffffff} i just differentiated between the two
[22:18:33] Ploser [19]:{ffffff} your conversation is pointless
[22:18:34] gavish_gooch - :{ffffff} you seem unable
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[22:18:51] gavish_gooch
- :{ffffff} it is, i will never get their heads around it it seems.
[22:18:56] gavish_gooch - :{ffffff} the difference is a critical one
[22:18:59] gavish_gooch - :{ffffff} because according to you
[22:19:04] MadMax
[MAF] [6]:{ffffff} so now please tell me
[22:19:07] gavish_gooch
- :{ffffff} once somethinghas a 0 percent chance of happening
[22:19:16] gavish_gooch - :{ffffff} there is no mathematical function to break that
[22:19:24]
[aXs]Joeee [1]:{ffffff} gavish...
[22:19:27] MadMax[MAF] [6]:{ffffff} if you earn NOTHING, and boss increase it by 100 percent of that nothiung, how
[22:19:27] much you earn?
[22:19:34] Adi [28]:{ffffff} ,/repair
[22:19:35] palm_tree [8]:{ffffff} nothing
[22:19:42] gavish_gooch
- :{ffffff} max, applying the argument to a value again. when will you learn?
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[22:19:54] gavish_gooch
- :{ffffff} we are talking percentages for BOTH values in the equation
[22:19:55] MadMax
[MAF] [6]:{ffffff} argument is 0
[22:20:11] [aXs]Joeee [1]:{ffffff} that 0 percent that we referred to is a seperate value
[22:20:17] MadMax[MAF] [6]:{ffffff} ye
[22:20:29] [RS]Guesh finished 1st in 1:51.354 (Score:+8.47)
[22:20:30] gavish_gooch
- :{ffffff} applying a percantage is basically a layer of abstraction which covers a
[22:20:30] multiplication function
[22:20:31] Donnie_Darko finished 2nd in 1:53.883 (Score:+6.98)
[22:20:32] MadMax
[MAF] [6]:{ffffff} 0 + 100'/. FROM THAT 0
[22:20:33] [VE]Paget00 finished 3rd in 1:55.075 (Score:+6.75)
[22:20:34] Ploser finished 4th in 1:56.188 (Score:+6.52)
[22:20:35] Witchfynde finished 5th in 1:57.337 (Score:+6.28)
[22:20:37] Spoux finished 6th in 1:59.863 (Score:+6.03)
[22:20:39] [LSR]TunniQ finished 7th in 2:01.139 (Score:+5.78)
[22:20:43] [aXs]Joeee [1]:{ffffff} ^
[22:20:43] Joakinn finished 8th in 2:05.217 (Score:+5.52)
[22:20:45] [PR]Explosion finished 9th in 2:07.550 (Score:+5.25)
[22:20:45] Gallant_Moose finished 10th in 2:07.657 (Score:+4.97)
[22:20:46] Adi finished 11th in 2:08.193 (Score:+4.69)
[22:20:47] [VE]Paget00 [12]:{ffffff} damn rammer
[22:20:47] Vigan finished 12th in 2:09.685 (Score:+4.40)
[22:20:51] gavish_gooch
- :{ffffff} joe
[22:20:55] gavish_gooch - :{ffffff} let me pose you a question
[22:21:01] MadMax
[MAF] [6]:{ffffff} 10 + 100'/. FROM THAT 10
[22:21:04] Ploser [19]:{ffffff} here comes the question
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[PR]Brasco finished SwimDoubleYou in 0:23.020
[22:21:06] MadMax[MAF] [6]:{ffffff} =20
[22:21:10] MadMax[MAF] [6]:{ffffff} 0 + 100'/. FROM THAT 0
[22:21:18] Ploser [19]:{ffffff} caps, max. :*
[22:21:27] MadMax[MAF] [6]:{ffffff} used shift
[22:21:33] Donnie_Darko [7]:{ffffff} )
[22:21:33] palm_tree [8]:{ffffff} aha
[22:21:38] Ploser [19]:{ffffff}
[22:21:43] Voting Over! {00B4FF}moonpig{0AFF0A} wins with {00B4FF}4{0AFF0A} votes
[22:21:51] moonpig {00B4FF}by{00FF93} moonpig {00B4FF}5.2 Miles No Extra Information
[22:21:51] {FFFF00}2:54.471 by MadMax[MAF]{00FF93} {00B4FF}Time Trial None
[22:21:52] gavish_gooch - :{ffffff} right, i have a better way of explaining it
[22:21:59] MadMax
[MAF] [6]:{ffffff} caps is against rules, i use shift instead
[22:22:06] [aXs]Joeee [1]:{ffffff} go on?
[22:22:14] [aXs]Joeee [1]:{ffffff} also, you didn't ask the question
[22:22:24] gavish_gooch - :{ffffff} if you have something which has 0 percent of happening
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[22:22:33] gavish_gooch - :{ffffff} then suddenly, there is a chance of it happening
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[22:22:38] gavish_gooch - :{ffffff} how do you calculate the increase
[22:22:41] gavish_gooch - :{ffffff} to get a new percentage
[22:23:06]
[aXs]Joeee [1]:{ffffff} you'd say it's [whatever percentage] likely to happen
[22:23:09] gavish_gooch - :{ffffff} well, assuming you already have the new percentage
[22:23:16]
[aXs]Joeee [1]:{ffffff} you wouldn't say it's [whatever percentage] MORE likely to happen
[22:23:23] gavish_gooch - :{ffffff} how do you show how you calculated it from the old percentage
[22:23:26] palm_tree [8]:{ffffff} it generally is a multiplication
[22:23:33]
[PR]Brasco finished SwimDoubleYou in 0:23.200
[22:23:40] gavish_gooch - :{ffffff} the way you propose with your theory would involve dividing by zero, which is a
[22:23:40] mathematical impossibility
[22:23:48] gavish_gooch - :{ffffff} or rather, gets an invalid answer
[22:23:49]
[aXs]Joeee [1]:{ffffff} you'd say 0percent add [new percentage]
[22:24:02] [aXs]Joeee [1]:{ffffff} but those percentages describe the same event
[22:24:09] gavish_gooch [aXs]Joeee [1]:{ffffff} where as our first percentage (his chance of getting unbanned)
[22:24:17] gavish_gooch - :{ffffff} you would say 0 percent add new percentage
[22:24:21] gavish_gooch - :{ffffff} ADDING PERCENTAGES
[22:24:34] gavish_gooch - :{ffffff} and the truth shall set you free
[22:24:38] gavish_gooch - :{ffffff} anywya
[22:24:39]
[aXs]Joeee [1]:{ffffff} describes a different event to our second percentage [the percentage of that
[22:24:39] ]
[22:24:50] [aXs]Joeee [1]:{ffffff} read what I'm actually saying lol
[22:24:52] gavish_gooch - :{ffffff} i am
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[22:25:03] MadMax
[MAF] finished 1st in 2:55.158 (Score:+13.58)
[22:25:05] Highscore (3) on SwimDoubleYou by [PR]Brasco
[22:25:05] [PR]Brasco finished SwimDoubleYou in 0:22.718
[22:25:05] New Highscore (8) by [LSR]TunniQ who finished 2nd in 2:56.915 (Score:+11.16)
[22:25:05] [PR]Explosion finished 3rd in 2:57.538 (Score:+11.85)
[22:25:08] Donnie_Darko finished 4th in 3:00.197 (Score:+10.38)
[22:25:08] Witchfynde finished 5th in 3:00.208 (Score:+10.98)
[22:25:08] gavish_gooch - :{ffffff} they both apply to his chances of an unban
[22:25:11] Spoux finished 6th in 3:03.482 (Score:+9.57)
[22:25:11] Gallant_Moose finished 7th in 3:03.663 (Score:+9.16)
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[RS]Guesh finished 8th in 3:04.916 (Score:+8.74)
[22:25:15] Vigan finished 9th in 3:07.753 (Score:+8.31)
[22:25:17] [aXs]Joeee [1]:{ffffff} no, they don't
[22:25:17] gavish_gooch - :{ffffff} i.e the probability of the same event
[22:25:18] Ploser finished 10th in 3:10.514 (Score:+7.87)
[22:25:22] palm_tree finished 11th in 3:14.448 (Score:+7.43)
[22:25:23] MadMax
[MAF] [6]:{ffffff} example
[22:25:27] [VE]Paget00 finished 12th in 3:18.950 (Score:+6.99)
[22:25:34] Davidoff[PL] finished 13th in 3:26.470 (Score:+6.53)
[22:25:35] gavish_gooch - :{ffffff} no offence max but your examples are terrible
[22:25:36] MadMax
[MAF] [6]:{ffffff} #*56*456*5454*0 = ?
[22:25:40] gavish_gooch - :{ffffff} let joe do the talking
[22:25:41] Siames_Cout finished 14th in 3:33.722 (Score:+6.07)
[22:25:42] Witchfynde [4]:{ffffff} what the hell caused this argument anyway?
[22:25:42]
Highscore (3) on SwimDoubleYou by [PR]Brasco
[22:25:42] [PR]Brasco finished SwimDoubleYou in 0:22.690
[22:25:46] Adi finished 15th in 3:38.160 (Score:+5.60)
[22:25:49] Joakinn finished 16th in 3:41.260 (Score:+5.12)
[22:25:50] [aXs]Joeee [1]:{ffffff} the second applies to the the percentage of his possibility to get unbanned
[22:25:51] gavish_gooch - :{ffffff} me being pedantic, witch :D
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[22:25:56] [aXs]Joeee [1]:{ffffff} not directly to the possibility
[22:25:56] Joakinn [21]:{ffffff} 0
[22:25:56] Donnie_Darko has left the server! ({FF0000}Leaving{AFAFAF}) 94.62.141.61
[22:26:07] Htc finished 17th in 3:59.331 (Score:+3.92)
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[22:26:13] gavish_gooch - :{ffffff} the way it was phrased was more like
[22:26:18] MadMax
[MAF] [6]:{ffffff} 0+100'/. from that 0 =
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[22:26:27] MadMax[MAF] [6]:{ffffff} 0+0*100
[22:26:30] gavish_gooch - :{ffffff} his chances of getting unbanned were 0 percent. now they have been increased by
[22:26:30] 100 percent
[22:26:37] MadMax
[MAF] [6]:{ffffff} no no percent
[22:26:38] Ploser [19]:{ffffff} can I mute automatically by word "percent"?
[22:26:42] Weite_Gang finished 18th in 4:34.543 (Score:+3.38)
[22:26:45] MadMax[MAF] [6]:{ffffff} his chanced were 0 JUST
[22:26:51] MadMax[MAF] [6]:{ffffff} no 0 percents!!!!
[22:26:53] Voting Over! {00B4FF}SF_Drag2{0AFF0A} wins with {00B4FF}7{0AFF0A} votes
[22:27:01] SF_Drag2 {00B4FF}by{00FF93} [FSR]Lewis {00B4FF}2.6 Miles 6/5/2009
[22:27:01] {FFFF00}1:08.261 by [MAF]Best_fails_2011{00FF93} {00B4FF}Time Trial None
[22:27:02] Ploser [19]:{ffffff} 0 # = 0, dude
[22:27:12] gavish_gooch - :{ffffff} yes but probability is usually defined as a percentage
[22:27:13] MadMax
[MAF] [6]:{ffffff} his chances were 0 (not percent)
[22:27:17] [PR]Brasco is now back racing!
[22:27:22] gavish_gooch - :{ffffff} yes but probability is usually defined as a percentage
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[22:27:44] gavish_gooch - :{ffffff} so unless you defined it AS A VALUE
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[22:27:54] gavish_gooch - :{ffffff} for example, 0 chickens or 0 haggis or whatever
[22:27:59] gavish_gooch - :{ffffff} its assumed to be a percentage
[22:28:03]
[aXs]Joeee [1]:{ffffff} lol chickens and haggis?
[22:28:18] [aXs]Joeee [1]:{ffffff} were they really the first things to come to mind?
[22:28:20] gavish_gooch - :{ffffff} well there is no valid data type to assign to a probability except a perce
[22:28:20] ntage
[22:28:26] gavish_gooch - :{ffffff} thats my point
[22:28:26] New Highscore (3) by MadMax
[MAF] who finished 1st in 1:08.627 (Score:+6.79) 2 Win Streak!
[22:28:27] New Highscore (5) by [LSR]TunniQ who finished 2nd in 1:08.884 (Score:+4.44)
[22:28:29] Ploser finished 3rd in 1:11.305 (Score:+4.75)
[22:28:30] Spoux finished 4th in 1:11.777 (Score:+4.60)
[22:28:32] palm_tree finished 5th in 1:13.905 (Score:+4.05)
[22:28:34] [VE]Paget00 finished 6th in 1:16.237 (Score:+4.29)
[22:28:35] [RS]Guesh finished 7th in 1:17.229 (Score:+3.75)
[22:28:36] MadMax[MAF] [6]:{ffffff} if unban value = 0
[22:28:39] Witchfynde finished 8th in 1:20.842 (Score:+3.58)
[22:28:41] Joakinn finished 9th in 1:23.025 (Score:+3.42)
[22:28:41] Gallant_Moose finished 10th in 1:23.101 (Score:+3.24)
[22:28:41] Weite_Gang finished 11th in 1:23.657 (Score:+3.06)
[22:28:43] Htc finished 12th in 1:25.384 (Score:+2.86)
[22:28:44] [PF]_Nato finished 13th in 1:26.621 (Score:+2.67)
[22:28:47] MadMax[MAF] [6]:{ffffff} it got increased by 100 percent
[22:28:53] Siames_Cout finished 14th in 1:35.358 (Score:+2.46)
[22:28:56] [aXs]Joeee [1]:{ffffff} yeah, but then if we increase the 0 percent by 100percent
[22:29:02] gavish_gooch [aXs]Joeee [1]:{ffffff} so 100 percent of 0
[22:29:05] gavish_gooch [aXs]Joeee [1]:{ffffff} fml.
[22:29:08] MadMax[MAF] [6]:{ffffff} 0 just, not 0 percent
[22:29:23] Voting Over! {00B4FF}NamelessTard-SK{0AFF0A} wins with {00B4FF}5{0AFF0A} votes
[22:29:31] NamelessTard-SK {00B4FF}by{00FF93} Snoopy {00B4FF}2.8 Miles [11/10/2009]
[22:29:31] {FFFF00}1:54.213 by [2F2F]Best_rage_2011{00FF93} {00B4FF}SK Hardcore Parkour
[22:29:32] palm_tree [8]:{ffffff} increasing a number by a percentage
[22:29:39] MadMax[MAF] [6]:{ffffff} you have $0 dollars
[22:29:43] gavish_gooch - :{ffffff} isnt what we are arguing palm trww
[22:29:50] gavish_gooch - :{ffffff} we are arguing adding percentages to each other
[22:29:52] MadMax
[MAF] [6]:{ffffff} your money has been increased by 100'/. of it
[22:29:59] MadMax[MAF] [6]:{ffffff} you still have 0
[22:30:00] Ploser [19]:{ffffff} we have sth called "percent points" in Polish to differentiate this
[22:30:09] gavish_gooch - :{ffffff} yet max repeats the same retarded argument which has no relevance
[22:30:22] gavish_gooch - :{ffffff} the chance cant be JUST 0
[22:30:30] gavish_gooch - :{ffffff} chances are defined as percentages
[22:30:38] MadMax
[MAF] [6]:{ffffff} 0 admins unban him, how many unbans he get?
[22:30:39] gavish_gooch - :{ffffff} or, at a stretch, odds at bookmakers
[22:30:50] gavish_gooch - :{ffffff} you know joe
[22:30:50] Joakinn [21]:{ffffff} lion anda a buscar auto
[22:30:51] palm_tree [8]:{ffffff} i know that's what he was saying
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[22:30:58] MadMax[MAF] [6]:{ffffff} so throw out this 'chances'
[22:31:02] MadMax[MAF] [6]:{ffffff} just unbans
[22:31:03] gavish_gooch - :{ffffff} you argue the point well, but max just doesnt get it ¬¬
[22:31:16]
[aXs]Joeee [1]:{ffffff} lol. <3
[22:31:52] gavish_gooch - :{ffffff} you see my logic though? you gotta have a modifier to increase a percentage
[22:31:52] above 0#
[22:31:59] LION
[Guest] [7]:{ffffff} jeje
[22:32:01] [aXs]Joeee [1]:{ffffff} yeah
[22:32:07] *** {0AFF0A}Rafael{00FF00} (Brazil) has joined the server [Registered Player] 23 201.26.51.144
[22:32:15] gavish_gooch - :{ffffff} and the simplest way is adding percentages, in most cases
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[aXs]Joeee [1]:{ffffff} our logic: we're doing a percentage increase on a value, that value just
[22:32:44] happening to be 0percent
[22:33:04] gavish_gooch - :{ffffff} but the argument i am presenting pretty much exclusively applies to 0 percent
[22:33:04]
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[LSR]TunniQ finished 1st in 2:00.041 (Score:+8.93)
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[22:33:22] [RS]Guesh finished 2nd in 2:10.574 (Score:+7.37)
[22:33:22] LION[Guest] finished 3rd in 2:10.790 (Score:+7.14)
[22:33:24] [aXs]Joeee [1]:{ffffff} whereas ours applies to pretty much every percentage increase
[22:33:25] Gallant_Moose finished 4th in 2:13.275 (Score:+6.90)
[22:33:28] Witchfynde finished 5th in 2:16.672 (Score:+6.66)
[22:33:29] MadMax[MAF] finished 6th in 2:17.680 (Score:+6.41)
[22:33:29] [MAF]Mourad finished 7th in 2:17.686 (Score:+6.77)
[22:33:34] gavish_gooch - :{ffffff} apart from the one in question
[22:33:36] palm_tree finished 8th in 2:24.772 (Score:+5.89)
[22:33:41] Ploser finished 9th in 2:29.580 (Score:+5.62)
[22:33:41] Joakinn finished 10th in 2:29.846 (Score:+5.35)
[22:33:42] Weite_Gang [13]:{ffffff} rocektman
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[aXs]Joeee [1]:{ffffff} including the one in question :)
[22:33:47] [PF]_Nato finished 11th in 2:35.511 (Score:+5.06)
[22:33:49] Weite_Gang [13]:{ffffff} man
[22:33:59] [VE]Paget00 finished 12th in 2:47.413 (Score:+4.77)
[22:34:05] MadMax[MAF] [6]:{ffffff} final
[22:34:05] [LSR]Scorpion finished 13th in 2:53.883 (Score:+4.47)
[22:34:07] [aXs]Joeee [1]:{ffffff} I'll use an arguement you brought up earlier, but from our perspective
[22:34:13] Htc finished 14th in 3:01.847 (Score:+4.17)
[22:34:18] MadMax[MAF] [6]:{ffffff} unban = 1
[22:34:23] Htc [22]:{ffffff} Id no 12 whats wrong with u ?
[22:34:23] Rafael[Guest] [23]:{ffffff} iae
[22:34:28] Voting Over! {00B4FF}DontForgetMe{0AFF0A} wins with {00B4FF}5{0AFF0A} votes
[22:34:32] [aXs]Joeee [1]:{ffffff} how would you describe the process we're doing to the number?
[22:34:33] MadMax[MAF] [6]:{ffffff} his chance of unban = 0'/. (from thant 1 )
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[22:34:39] [LSR]Scorpion [11]:{ffffff} mazzarri di merda
[22:34:45] [MAF]Mourad [17]:{ffffff} ciao andrea
[22:34:45] [MAF]Mourad has entered /TV
[22:34:46] palm_tree [8]:{ffffff} ancora?? la smetti??
[22:34:51] [LSR]Scorpion [11]:{ffffff} ciao mourad
[22:34:52] [aXs]Joeee [1]:{ffffff} we know what we're doing to the number, and it would usually be described by
[22:34:52] percentage increase
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[22:35:14] [aXs]Joeee [1]:{ffffff} but if, like you say, percentage increase has a different meaning when done to
[22:35:14] another percentage
[22:35:20] gavish_gooch - :{ffffff} if the chance of it is 0 and you imply an actual increase, you would assume an
[22:35:20] addition of 100#
[22:35:39] MadMax
[MAF] [6]:{ffffff} steb by step
[22:35:40] LION[Guest] [7]:{ffffff} maldito
[22:35:43] MadMax[MAF] [6]:{ffffff} step
[22:35:44] gavish_gooch - :{ffffff} considering adding 100 percent to 0 is 0, you would assume you were using my
[22:35:44] method
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[22:35:49] MadMax
[MAF] [6]:{ffffff} unban = 1
[22:35:53] gavish_gooch - :{ffffff} otherwise the calculation would be redundant and pointless
[22:36:00] MadMax
[MAF] [6]:{ffffff} his chance = 0'/. from that 1
[22:36:07] MadMax[MAF] [6]:{ffffff} whats is his chance in value ?
[22:36:08] Siames_Cout [5]:{ffffff} lag
[22:36:15] Siames_Cout [5]:{ffffff} is buged
[22:36:32] MadMax[MAF] [6]:{ffffff} 0/100
[22:36:41] palm_tree [8]:{ffffff} lol with all that space
[22:36:52] MadMax[MAF] [6]:{ffffff} now increase 0/100 by its 100 percent (100 percent from 0/100)
[22:37:05] [aXs]Joeee [1]:{ffffff} hmm seems there's nothing we can argue about it now, since we understand each
[22:37:05] other's logic but disagree on it
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[22:37:09] gavish_gooch - :{ffffff} i am merely pointing out the logical impossibility of trying to multiply
[22:37:09] something by 0
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[aXs]Joeee [1]:{ffffff} so it's down to personal belief from here I guess
[22:37:27] palm_tree [8]:{ffffff} that's not logic just math and statistics
[22:37:36] [LSR]TunniQ finished 1st in 2:43.048 (Score:+16.00) 2 Win Streak!
[22:37:38] Witchfynde finished 2nd in 2:45.654 (Score:+10.37)
[22:37:40] [VE]Paget00 finished 3rd in 2:47.587 (Score:+9.97)
[22:37:43] [aXs]Joeee [1]:{ffffff} also, it's possible to multiply by 0
[22:37:44] gavish_gooch - :{ffffff} seeing as there is no way to express the increase of a zero percentage, in your
[22:37:44] books
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[PF]_Rabbit finished 4th in 2:52.645 (Score:+9.57)
[22:37:46] [LSR]Scorpion finished 5th in 2:53.897 (Score:+9.16)
[22:37:48] Gallant_Moose finished 6th in 2:55.134 (Score:+8.75)
[22:37:52] Ploser finished 7th in 2:59.355 (Score:+8.32)
[22:37:53] gavish_gooch - :{ffffff} my method seems the logical alternative
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[PF]_Nato finished 8th in 3:00.569 (Score:+7.89)
[22:37:53] [RS]Guesh finished 9th in 3:00.745 (Score:+7.45)
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[22:38:00] palm_tree finished 10th in 3:08.017 (Score:+6.80)
[22:38:11] Htc finished 11th in 3:18.221 (Score:+6.33)
[22:38:12] [LSR]Scorpion [11]:{ffffff} kechup lag with ploser :D
[22:38:24] [PR]Brasco finished SwimDoubleYou in 0:23.624
[22:38:25] [aXs]Joeee [1]:{ffffff} yeah, but a systematic calculation a computer would use
[22:38:26] gavish_gooch - :{ffffff} its impossible to increase or decrease by multiplying when one of the values is
[22:38:26] 0, is what i mean
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[aXs]Joeee [1]:{ffffff} would be ours.
[22:38:43] Joakinn finished 12th in 3:50.868 (Score:+5.84)
[22:38:50] [aXs]Joeee [1]:{ffffff} and it's not impossible, it's just ineffective
[22:38:55] MadMax[MAF] finished 13th in 4:02.248 (Score:+5.88)
[22:38:57] [aXs]Joeee [1]:{ffffff} which is our whole point
[22:38:58] gavish_gooch - :{ffffff} indeed, but my method is a workaround for the flaw in that logic
[22:39:06] MadMax
[MAF] [6]:{ffffff} 5*5*0 = ?
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[22:39:15] [LSR]Scorpion [11]:{ffffff} 0
[22:39:17] Voting Over! {00B4FF}12345678910{0AFF0A} wins with {00B4FF}3{0AFF0A} votes
[22:39:20] Htc is /AFK (Idle)
[22:39:25] 12345678910 {00B4FF}by{00FF93} mehlol {00B4FF}3.4 Miles [12/3/2011]
[22:39:25] {FFFF00}2:11.080 by [2F2F]DodgeR{00FF93} {00B4FF} None
[22:39:26] gavish_gooch - :{ffffff} its not for use in calculators, its for use in expressing an increase in a
[22:39:26] percentage which was initialy 0
[22:39:28] Ploser [19]:{ffffff} cut it, damn, y'all mathematicians
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[aXs]Joeee [1]:{ffffff} it's not a flaw, it's a phenomenom
[22:39:32] gavish_gooch - :{ffffff} a problem a calculator would have no need to face
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[PR]Brasco finished SwimDoubleYou in 0:23.113
[22:39:51] [RS]Guesh [15]:{ffffff} sry
[22:40:10] [aXs]Joeee [1]:{ffffff} X*0 isn't impossible, it's simply ineffective
[22:40:18] gavish_gooch - :{ffffff} saying "the percentage was 0, it is now 50" would make sense
[22:40:19] Htc is now back racing!
[22:40:27] gavish_gooch - :{ffffff} but you would be unable to make sense of it using mathematical modifierz
[22:40:42] MadMax
[MAF] [6]:{ffffff} i meant extacly this
[22:40:45] [aXs]Joeee [1]:{ffffff} why do you seem to believe you can't multiply by 0?
[22:40:48] gavish_gooch - :{ffffff} the only way to express it directly is 0 percent PLUS 50 percent
[22:40:58] Htc has entered /STUNT
[22:41:00] gavish_gooch - :{ffffff} get from 0 to 50 using multiplication
[22:41:07] MadMax
[MAF] [6]:{ffffff} his chance of unban has been doubled
[22:41:12] gavish_gooch - :{ffffff} you cant use it for this purpose
[22:41:13] MadMax
[MAF] [6]:{ffffff} he had 0 before
[22:41:21] [aXs]Joeee [1]:{ffffff} that's exactly what we're saying gavish
[22:41:36] [aXs]Joeee [1]:{ffffff} since we didn't give a final value we need to reach via multiplication
[22:41:41] [aXs]Joeee [1]:{ffffff} then it's the highest possible value
[22:41:44] [aXs]Joeee [1]:{ffffff} which in this case is 0
[22:42:03] [LSR]TunniQ finished 1st in 2:21.838 (Score:+13.32) 3 Win Streak!
[22:42:07] Ploser finished 2nd in 2:25.886 (Score:+8.35)
[22:42:08] [LSR]Scorpion finished 3rd in 2:26.287 (Score:+7.99)
[22:42:11] [PF]_Rabbit finished 4th in 2:29.980 (Score:+7.62)
[22:42:13] [RS]Guesh finished 5th in 2:31.967 (Score:+7.24)
[22:42:13] Gallant_Moose finished 6th in 2:32.163 (Score:+6.85)
[22:42:15] Ploser [19]:{ffffff} thanks, scorp
[22:42:16] gavish_gooch - :{ffffff} i get that, im just saying that considering the way it was phrased, it can
[22:42:16] imply his chances are now 100 percent
[22:42:19] palm_tree finished 7th in 2:37.622 (Score:+6.45)
[22:42:19] Witchfynde finished 8th in 2:37.857 (Score:+6.05)
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[LSR]Scorpion [11]:{ffffff} np :D
[22:42:19] Joakinn finished 9th in 2:38.159 (Score:+5.63)
[22:42:26] [PF]_Nato finished 10th in 2:44.823 (Score:+5.21)
[22:42:27] MadMax[MAF] [6]:{ffffff} 100 percent of 0
[22:42:31] [VE]Paget00 finished 11th in 2:49.246 (Score:+4.78)
[22:42:33] gavish_gooch - :{ffffff} considering there is a sliding scale on probability, from 0 to 100
[22:42:44]
[aXs]Joeee [1]:{ffffff} but if we were using that method, we'd simply say "his chances have gone up to
[22:42:44] 150"
[22:42:45] gavish_gooch - :{ffffff} an increase on that scale by 100 could imply you just moved to the other
[22:42:45] end
[22:42:45] MadMax
[MAF] [6]:{ffffff} but 1 thing you muss
[22:42:47] [PR]Explosion has entered /TT
[22:42:50] [aXs]Joeee [1]:{ffffff} or whatever
[22:42:51] Ploser [19]:{ffffff} when did this talking begin?
[22:42:59] [aXs]Joeee [1]:{ffffff} like an hour ago
[22:43:02] MadMax[MAF] [6]:{ffffff} i said increased by 100 percent of the ones currencty have
[22:43:16] [aXs]Joeee [1]:{ffffff} but yeah, we'd word it litterally rather than mathematically if we wanted to do
[22:43:16] that, gavish
[22:43:21] MadMax[MAF] [6]:{ffffff} 0'/. + 100'/. from these 0'/.
[22:43:21] Ploser [19]:{ffffff} good, max's stats are diminishing
[22:43:26] Voting Over! {00B4FF}wet_farts{0AFF0A} wins with {00B4FF}3{0AFF0A} votes
[22:43:27] [PR]Explosion finished SwimDoubleYou in 0:25.422
[22:43:28] Gallant_Moose [20]:{ffffff} i wonder whose chances they're discussing about :D
[22:43:29] [PF]_Rabbit is /AFK (Idle)
[22:43:34] wet_farts {00B4FF}by{00FF93} Slash_Butcher {00B4FF}4.7 Miles [22/11/2010] No Extra Information
[22:43:34] {FFFF00}3:28.349 by MadMax[MAF]{00FF93} {00B4FF}One World Repair
[22:43:36] [ERROR] No players found
[22:43:37] [LSR]Scorpion [11]:{ffffff} mmh ho cambiato canale la marcuzzi sembra un aputtana da 25 €
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[22:43:47] palm_tree [8]:{ffffff} of a dude of being unbanned
[22:43:48] gavish_gooch - :{ffffff} well im jsut saying, the maximum range of the probability scale is 100
[22:43:49] palm_tree has entered /TT
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[PF]_Rabbit is now back racing!
[22:44:00] [PR]Explosion finished SwimDoubleYou in 0:23.615
[22:44:01] [LSR]Scorpion [11]:{ffffff} juck yeah
[22:44:03] gavish_gooch - :{ffffff} so adding 100 to 0 can just as easily mean you have completely reversed his
[22:44:03] chances
[22:44:03]
[aXs]Joeee [1]:{ffffff} the maximum range of the probability scale is 1...
[22:44:03] MadMax[MAF] [6]:{ffffff} ye, but
[22:44:10] MadMax[MAF] [6]:{ffffff} ha have 0'/.
[22:44:11] gavish_gooch - :{ffffff} you get what i mean joe
[22:44:20] MadMax
[MAF] [6]:{ffffff} and his chance is doubled
[22:44:21] [PR]Brasco finished SwimDoubleYou in 0:23.179
[22:44:26] MadMax[MAF] [6]:{ffffff} how much he have now ?
[22:44:30] MadMax[MAF] [6]:{ffffff} has*
[22:44:32] [PR]Explosion finished SwimDoubleYou in 0:23.358
[22:44:33] palm_tree has left the server! ({FF0000}Leaving{AFAFAF}) 78.13.167.122
[22:44:37] [LSR]Scorpion [11]:{ffffff} Me gusta <.>
[22:44:44] gavish_gooch - :{ffffff} per cent = per 100, in simple terms
[22:44:51]
[aXs]Joeee [1]:{ffffff} yeah
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[22:44:56] gavish_gooch - :{ffffff} the probability scale just moves the decimal point
[22:44:59] palm_tree has entered /TT
[22:45:02] MadMax
[MAF] [6]:{ffffff} 0'/. doubled ??
[22:45:03] [LSR]Scorpion [11]:{ffffff} in jail i got 92 fps!
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[22:45:11] [aXs]Joeee [1]:{ffffff} and a percent of that percentage is a per 100 of the per 100
[22:45:11] [PR]Brasco finished SwimDoubleYou in 0:22.931
[22:45:15] [aXs]Joeee [1]:{ffffff} which is what max is saying
[22:45:20] [PR]Explosion finished SwimDoubleYou in 0:23.232
[22:45:27] Htc is now back racing!
[22:45:27] [aXs]Joeee [1]:{ffffff} which is what we were adding on
[22:45:31] gavish_gooch - :{ffffff} yeah but maxes arguments are repetitive and annoying and im not reading
[22:45:31] them
[22:45:34] MadMax
[MAF] [6]:{ffffff} yes
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[22:45:41] [aXs]Joeee [1]:{ffffff} lol.
[22:45:43] MadMax[MAF] [6]:{ffffff} joe
[22:45:46] [aXs]Joeee [1]:{ffffff} yeah?
[22:45:47] MadMax[MAF] [6]:{ffffff} repeat this
[22:45:49] [aXs]Joeee [1]:{ffffff} okay
[22:45:52] [PR]Explosion finished SwimDoubleYou in 0:23.252
[22:45:58] [PR]Brasco finished SwimDoubleYou in 0:22.758
[22:46:01] MadMax[MAF] [6]:{ffffff} 0'/. + 100'/. from that 0'/.
[22:46:17] [aXs]Joeee [1]:{ffffff} "0'/. + 100'/. from that 0'/."
[22:46:23] [PR]Explosion finished SwimDoubleYou in 0:23.233
[22:46:26] gavish_gooch - :{ffffff} i can read, max. im saying you are just rephrasing the same argument
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[PR]Brasco finished SwimDoubleYou in 0:23.336
[22:46:36] gavish_gooch - :{ffffff} the "from that 0#" part is the problem
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[22:46:48] MadMax[MAF] [6]:{ffffff} coz you don't understand and are talking about totally diffrent thing we
[22:46:48] meant
[22:46:48] palm_tree finished SwimDoubleYou in 0:22.620
[22:46:52] gavish_gooch - :{ffffff} its 0 percent plus 100 percent
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[PR]Explosion finished SwimDoubleYou in 0:23.510
[22:46:58] gavish_gooch - :{ffffff} no "from that 100#
[22:47:02] MadMax
[MAF] [6]:{ffffff} i didn't mean increasing chances from 0 to 100
[22:47:02] gavish_gooch - :{ffffff} or whatever
[22:47:09]
[aXs]Joeee [1]:{ffffff} no, it's 0percent increased by 100percent
[22:47:17] MadMax[MAF] [6]:{ffffff} ye
[22:47:21] palm_tree finished SwimDoubleYou in 0:23.564
[22:47:26] [aXs]Joeee [1]:{ffffff} which is percentage increase, which always works in the same way
[22:47:27] MadMax[MAF] [6]:{ffffff} this is what we were talking about lol
[22:47:39] MadMax[MAF] [6]:{ffffff} 0'/. doubled
[22:47:49] MadMax[MAF] [6]:{ffffff} 1'/. doubled = 2'/.
[22:47:58] [PR]Explosion finished SwimDoubleYou in 0:23.339
[22:47:59] MadMax[MAF] [6]:{ffffff} 0'/. doubled = 0'/.
[22:48:03] Ploser finished 1st in 4:13.148 (Score:+17.84)
[22:48:08] gavish_gooch - :{ffffff} 0 percent doubled would have been the more concise and transparent way to say
[22:48:08] it, for future reference
[22:48:15] Witchfynde finished 2nd in 4:24.730 (Score:+13.10)
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[LSR]Scorpion [11]:{ffffff} might in the night im looking for fun...
[22:48:27] [aXs]Joeee [1]:{ffffff} but max wasn't saying his chances doubled
[22:48:30] [PR]Explosion finished SwimDoubleYou in 0:23.373
[22:48:34] [aXs]Joeee [1]:{ffffff} he said they increased by 100percent
[22:48:40] [PR]Brasco finished SwimDoubleYou in 0:23.004
[22:48:42] MadMax[MAF] [6]:{ffffff} of his current
[22:48:42] [LSR]TunniQ finished 3rd in 4:52.094 (Score:+12.40)
[22:48:47] gavish_gooch - :{ffffff} exactly. and THAT is what is open to interpretation
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[22:49:01] [PR]Explosion finished SwimDoubleYou in 0:23.509
[22:49:06] [aXs]Joeee [1]:{ffffff} that's like saying "1+1 could be 11, it's open to interpretation"
[22:49:12] MadMax[MAF] [6]:{ffffff} X + 100'/. X = doubled X
[22:49:16] Gallant_Moose finished 4th in 5:25.577 (Score:+12.72)
[22:49:18] palm_tree finished SwimDoubleYou in 0:23.151
[22:49:20] gavish_gooch - :{ffffff} the method you used implies a useless mathematical function (which is how it
[22:49:20] was meant, i know)
[22:49:22]
[aXs]Joeee [1]:{ffffff} it's true, but following generally recognised systems, it;s wrong
[22:49:32] gavish_gooch - :{ffffff} but the way i use it implies an actual useful result
[22:49:34]
[PR]Explosion finished SwimDoubleYou in 0:23.378
[22:49:40] [PR]Brasco finished SwimDoubleYou in 0:23.314
[22:49:54] [LSR]Scorpion [11]:{ffffff} you touch my trallalal... mmh my ding ding dong
[22:49:58] gavish_gooch - :{ffffff} ^
[22:49:58] MadMax
[MAF] [6]:{ffffff} i said increased by
[22:50:00] Ploser [19]:{ffffff} I cannot read it anymore. I must quit
[22:50:05] palm_tree [5]:{ffffff} to stay in theme
[22:50:05] MadMax[MAF] [6]:{ffffff} not increased to
[22:50:08] *** {0AFF0A}AMDSquirrel[CZE]{00FF00} (Czech Republic) has joined the server [Registered Player] 7 78.80.30.73
[22:50:13] *** {0AFF0A}[O_O]GameOverT{00FF00} (Spain) has joined the server [Registered Player] 10 79.157.97.58
[22:50:16] AMDSquirrel[CZE] [7]:{ffffff} hi
[22:50:16] Ploser has left the server! ({FF0000}Leaving{AFAFAF}) 150.254.145.116
[22:50:22] [RS]Guesh finished 5th in 6:31.302 (Score:+10.98)
[22:50:24] Voting Over! {00B4FF}Royal-Fail{0AFF0A} wins with {00B4FF}2{0AFF0A} votes
[22:50:27] [PF]_Nato is /AFK (Idle)
[22:50:27] [PF]_Rabbit is /AFK (Idle)
[22:50:30] [aXs]Joeee [1]:{ffffff} well since we both understand each other's arguements but disagree, then there's
[22:50:30] nothing more to be said
[22:50:30] palm_tree is now back racing!
[22:50:32] Royal-Fail {00B4FF}by{00FF93} Snoopy {00B4FF}4.0 Miles [6/12/2009] ##
[22:50:32] {FFFF00}2:05.640 by [MAF]Mourad{00FF93} {00B4FF} None
[22:50:33] palm_tree [5]:{ffffff} hi
[22:50:34] [aXs]Joeee drops out of the arguement
[22:50:35] [LSR]Scorpion is now back racing!
[22:50:37] palm_tree has entered /TT
[22:50:40] [RS]Guesh [15]:{ffffff} Snow :o
[22:50:43] Witchfynde [4]:{ffffff} royal fail in deed...
[22:50:44] gavish_gooch - :{ffffff} "increased to" doesnt state the function used to reach the result anyway
[22:50:46]
[PR]Explosion finished SwimDoubleYou in 0:23.719
[22:50:50] gavish_gooch - :{ffffff} so wouldnt be necessary
[22:50:54] gavish_gooch - :{ffffff} yeah i gotta go anyways
[22:50:57] gavish_gooch - :{ffffff} later
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