Topic: spanish news

[McD0n3ld]

Have you seen this?

recent train crash some days ago in Galicia, Spain. 80 deaths, like 30~40 % of travelers

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIJVVOGY3Cg[/youtube]

[►R1d3r™]

Yes, yesterday on the news.
The train was traveling at twice as fast as normal...

[[FSR]Berkut]

actually , 80 people died because of that , 90 are hospitalized and  the speed limit was 80km/h , but train driver went at 180km/h

[[FSR]Ush]

I think that something happend to the train driver (fell asleep or whatever)

[Żurrieq]

I think that something happend to the train driver (fell asleep or whatever)

I think he was unconscious

[[AK47]Tommy_Vicious]

I think that something happend to the train driver (fell asleep or whatever)

I think he was unconscious

i think he was just an idiot (see his fb page).

[[FSR]Berkut]

he showed himself with taking photo what speedometer shows 200km/h

[[MAF]mooman]

http://www.france24.com/en/20130725-spain-crash-train-driver-posted-high-speeds-facebook-santiago

[[MAF]Agus]

What an asshole

[Kitty~♥]

u.u for those who lived this tragedy from very near is very unconfortable that these type of news are always rounding like making you remember it all.. so this topic (my opinion) wasnt necessary 'cause I think most of people all over the world saw it.. 
Even so... my condolences for all those families who lost someone on this accident.. lots of kisses and courage.. NEVER FORGET! R.I.P. ♥♥

[Kitty~♥]

I think that something happend to the train driver (fell asleep or whatever)

I think he was unconscious

none of you are right.. the train driver WASN'T asleep or unconsious.. there are actually too many points to look up, but thats not the reason
1. the security mecanism of the railroads that slow down trains when they exceed speed limits DIDN'T work (mystery)
2. the rails were prepared and reformed to adapt them to the high-speed train but signs not...
3. national police is working on the timetable of that train.. but propably that one was getting a little bit late to the station what could make the train driver accelerate a little train's speed to be on time

^ like those.. there are several clues and mysteries that could have made the train get out of the rails..

[[AK47]Tommy_Vicious]

"a little"?

did you see his facebook page?

he's a fuckin ' KILLER !

 
limit speed is 80 km/h  , and he went 190km/h ?  On a turn ?

there's no mistery , train driver should have fired long time ago.

[[MAF]Karlis]

i believe no one is dumb enough to purposely go 190kmh where its allowed to go 80kmh in a turn, even more so because he called the control center and informed that they're going way too fast and its too late to brake (trains literally take kilometres to brake).
so there has to be something more to it than just a dick driver (not saying that he's not one though).
anyway, it's easy to just put all the blame on him, but i saw quite a few articles about this, and most didn't match and it seems that people are just guessing.

also, this line is supposed to be driven in 190kmh, its just this small section where they have to slow down, and he didn't for whatever reason.

[Kitty~♥]

"a little"?

did you see his facebook page?

he's a fuckin ' KILLER !

 
limit speed is 80 km/h  , and he went 190km/h ?  On a turn ?

there's no mistery , train driver should have fired long time ago.

Its obviously a way of speaking .... I think I know better than you what happened and details... and hes not a "killer", many things happened at the moment, hes not a "murderer" or "terrorist"... how can you say hes a killer.. please dont say nothing which you dont know clearly...
Im not saying it couldnt be a human error.. but what youre saying is too hard to hear... so please think about it before you type

[Kitty~♥]

i believe no one is dumb enough to purposely go 190kmh where its allowed to go 80kmh in a turn, even more so because he called the control center and informed that they're going way too fast and its too late to brake (trains literally take kilometres to brake).
so there has to be something more to it than just a dick driver (not saying that he's not one though).
anyway, it's easy to just put all the blame on him, but i saw quite a few articles about this, and most didn't match and it seems that people are just guessing.

also, this line is supposed to be driven in 190kmh, its just this small section where they have to slow down, and he didn't for whatever reason.

I agree partly with you.. only God knows his reasons and what really happened there... i just can say: R.I.P and hope that nothing similar happens again u.u ♥♥

[[FSR]Ush]

God?

[[MAF]Vertigo]

Maybe his brother earl accelerated to 190?

Not a time to make jokes, but he is almost entirely responsible, no?

[[AK47]Tommy_Vicious]

"a little"?

did you see his facebook page?

he's a fuckin ' KILLER !

 
limit speed is 80 km/h  , and he went 190km/h ?  On a turn ?

there's no mistery , train driver should have fired long time ago.

Its obviously a way of speaking .... I think I know better than you what happened and details... and hes not a "killer", many things happened at the moment, hes not a "murderer" or "terrorist"... how can you say hes a killer.. please dont say nothing which you dont know clearly...
Im not saying it couldnt be a human error.. but what youre saying is too hard to hear... so please think about it before you type

0/10

Did a lot of people die ? YES (unfortunately)
Was he the driver? YES
Was he responsible for his actions? YES
I call him a KILLER . Period.

[[MAF]mooman]

But how can you be sure it was his actions that caused the crash? Maybe the brakes didn't work.

[[AK47]Tommy_Vicious]

what about emergency brakes? if regular brakes broke up he could have used them to slow down a bit before the turn.

Oh right, he was taking pictures of speedometer for his friends on facebook , he sure didn't have time to think about such silly thing.

[[AK47]M4lysz]

Obviously 200km/h is max he could legally post on his facebook.

"The 52-year-old, who together with a second driver survived the crash, allegedly posted a picture of a train speedometer at 200km/h (124mph), writing: "I'm at the limit and I can't go any faster or they will give me a fine." His Facebook page has since been blocked."

[Kitty~♥]

Nobody here said he was inocent.. Was it correct to take pictures making the train go at such speed? obviously YES.. that wasnt correct at all.. but Im just saying that what some of you say is a little early to say and hard... police is investigating all these causes but trust me: when something like this happens, accident isnt normaly caused by only one thing, but because several fails one behind the other..
police is helding the train driver to test him.. im sure this mystery is gonna be solved in a period of time...
And YES Ush... GOD is the only one that knows his reasons, what he had in mind, and what really happened there.

[McD0n3ld]

what i think is:

1st. driver is guilty, of course. but i don't think he did it on purpose, so i don't think it's ok to call him killer.
2nd. there are systems for avoiding this type of crashes, so he's not 100% guilty.
3rd. let the justice judge him

[Kitty~♥]

what i think is:

1st. driver is guilty, of course. but i don't think he did it on purpose, so i don't think it's ok to call him killer.
2nd. there are systems for avoiding this type of crashes, so he's not 100% guilty.
3rd. let the justice judge him

Totally Agree with you mc..

[Scorpion.]

"a little"?

did you see his facebook page?

he's a fuckin ' KILLER !

 
limit speed is 80 km/h  , and he went 190km/h ?  On a turn ?

there's no mistery , train driver should have fired long time ago.

Its obviously a way of speaking .... I think I know better than you what happened and details... and hes not a "killer", many things happened at the moment, hes not a "murderer" or "terrorist"... how can you say hes a killer.. please dont say nothing which you dont know clearly...
Im not saying it couldnt be a human error.. but what youre saying is too hard to hear... so please think about it before you type

0/10

Did a lot of people die ? YES (unfortunately)
Was he the driver? YES
Was he responsible for his actions? YES
I call him a KILLER . Period.

i quote tommy, is an old idiot and should rot in jail

[[AK47]Tommy_Vicious]

Was it the first time he did that route?

In my opinion he didn't do all the things he should have done to prevent this tragedy. Then of course you can blame on about high speed trains on ancient railway system ...

He got a high responsability job . He failed , he killed 80 people. Let  him stay  in prison for life and throw the keys away ffs.

[palm-tree]

It's a shame that he was still driving trains.

You just can't play with other people's lives when you do these jobs, when you do any job actually. Like a surgeon can't operate blindfolded to make it more challenging, those who drive public vehicles can't do stunts or go over speed limits.

We all agree that if he hadn't taken those pictures and bragged about the speed reached, we would have been here talking about a man with years of experience who had fallen asleep/ had conked out/had got distracted by a butterfly/only GOD knows.......BUT, I find this hard to believe, considering the situation.

Did some kind of automatic emergency system have to start working? Or did someone from the control station have to warn him to slow down when he was approaching the end of the straight and was still going fast? I dunno, but what I know for sure is that his license should have been removed long time ago, either he's gulty or not.

It was an announced tragedy and could have been avoided..

[[MAF]Snoopy]

That certain part of the train track didn't have any automatic speed control, but the rest of it does.

[Kitty~♥]

It's a shame that he was still driving trains.

You just can't play with other people's lives when you do these jobs, when you do any job actually. Like a surgeon can't operate blindfolded to make it more challenging, those who drive public vehicles can't do stunts or go over speed limits.

We all agree that if he hadn't taken those pictures and bragged about the speed reached, we would have been here talking about a man with years of experience who had fallen asleep/ had conked out/had got distracted by a butterfly/only GOD knows.......BUT, I find this hard to believe, considering the situation.

Did some kind of automatic emergency system have to start working? Or did someone from the control station have to warn him to slow down when he was approaching the end of the straight and was still going fast? I dunno, but what I know for sure is that his license should have been removed long time ago, either he's gulty or not.

It was an announced tragedy and could have been avoided..

Agree with you.. he didnt act like an adult making those pictures in other routes.. but we cant say he had "terrorist" intentions in that moment and said: I'm gonna kill everyone in this train.. an accident is something that happens eventhough nobody wanted to and knowing it before, would react and stop to avoit it. Accidents don't need to be unlucky...sometimes people just "provoke" death... its obvious that the train driver knew the fatal results that high speed could make but he didnt mind, becuase in other cases nothing happened.. but, how its used to be said: nobody reacts seriously at time until seeing that lifes are in danger or, whats worst, after these cases... Im sure that train drivers right now are keeping rules straight on line.. a week ago im sure that nobody was worried about speeds in trains so much as after this accident. Everything now is much more controlled by train staff in or out the train... WARNING: what im gonna say is in my most humble opinion: but sometimes things like this HAVE to happen to make people think of it and make arranges like more security, more control to prevent these accidents..
I repeat: this last opinion isnt standing for nothing... but i think it that way..

[[AK47]Tommy_Vicious]

It's a shame that he was still driving trains.

You just can't play with other people's lives when you do these jobs, when you do any job actually. Like a surgeon can't operate blindfolded to make it more challenging, those who drive public vehicles can't do stunts or go over speed limits.

We all agree that if he hadn't taken those pictures and bragged about the speed reached, we would have been here talking about a man with years of experience who had fallen asleep/ had conked out/had got distracted by a butterfly/only GOD knows.......BUT, I find this hard to believe, considering the situation.

Did some kind of automatic emergency system have to start working? Or did someone from the control station have to warn him to slow down when he was approaching the end of the straight and was still going fast? I dunno, but what I know for sure is that his license should have been removed long time ago, either he's gulty or not.

It was an announced tragedy and could have been avoided..

Agree with you.. he didnt act like an adult making those pictures in other routes.. but we cant say he had "terrorist" intentions in that moment and said: I'm gonna kill everyone in this train.. an accident is something that happens eventhough nobody wanted to and knowing it before, would react and stop to avoit it. Accidents don't need to be unlucky...sometimes people just "provoke" death... its obvious that the train driver knew the fatal results that high speed could make but he didnt mind, becuase in other cases nothing happened.. but, how its used to be said: nobody reacts seriously at time until seeing that lifes are in danger or, whats worst, after these cases... Im sure that train drivers right now are keeping rules straight on line.. a week ago im sure that nobody was worried about speeds in trains so much as after this accident. Everything now is much more controlled by train staff in or out the train... WARNING: what im gonna say is in my most humble opinion: but sometimes things like this HAVE to happen to make people think of it and make arranges like more security, more control to prevent these accidents..
I repeat: this last opinion isnt standing for nothing... but i think it that way..

Dead's relatives would probabily kill you . "things like this have to happen?"  You mad?

One asshole didn't do his job and "things like this have to happen?

Congrats for your sensibility . What if one of the dead were your relative /friends? Would you say the swame thing ?

[[MAF]Karlis]

she has a point. sadly, often people need mistakes to learn from.
although the driver seems somewhat guilty, don't be so certain that it's just the driver's fault.
with a well working system with a coordinator, technical limits, and two drivers one driver shouldn't even be able to mess up this badly.
so it needs to be looked into, and things most likely need a fix.

and why do you need to jump in with the sensibility now?
no one of us cares that much when way more people die from other million ways to die.
we're just strangers to them and don't know none of the unlucky.
i am sorry to the relatives, but we are no way connected to this and these words doesn't do any harm, so i don't see anything bad with this being discussed, as long as we don't do any guesses and claim them to be absolutely right.

[[AK47]Tommy_Vicious]

ok , i guess empathy is only a fantasy.

[[MAF]Vertigo]

This reminds me a lot of the Costa Concordia tragedy.

[nero]

Costa Concordia?

It's sad to see no one here remembers Eschede, Germany in 1998, but a lot of you are maybe too young to remember...

Also a high speed train, killing 101 people caused by a technical failure by one of the wheels. To make it even worse, a bridge collapsed onto the derailed train killing even people who would have survived the crash itself.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eschede_train_disaster

The Eschede train disaster was the world's deadliest high-speed train accident. It occurred on 3 June 1998, near the village of Eschede in the Celle district of Lower Saxony, Germany.

Don't get me wrong, I don't want to start a competition on who has the deadliest accidents, but as Karlis said, people need accidents to learn from their mistakes. Following the accident in Germany, there has been a huge development on the whole security systems and on the trains, but it seems this hasn't caught on to our european neighbours or the responsable institutions.

[Kitty~♥]

It's a shame that he was still driving trains.

You just can't play with other people's lives when you do these jobs, when you do any job actually. Like a surgeon can't operate blindfolded to make it more challenging, those who drive public vehicles can't do stunts or go over speed limits.

We all agree that if he hadn't taken those pictures and bragged about the speed reached, we would have been here talking about a man with years of experience who had fallen asleep/ had conked out/had got distracted by a butterfly/only GOD knows.......BUT, I find this hard to believe, considering the situation.

Did some kind of automatic emergency system have to start working? Or did someone from the control station have to warn him to slow down when he was approaching the end of the straight and was still going fast? I dunno, but what I know for sure is that his license should have been removed long time ago, either he's gulty or not.

It was an announced tragedy and could have been avoided..

Agree with you.. he didnt act like an adult making those pictures in other routes.. but we cant say he had "terrorist" intentions in that moment and said: I'm gonna kill everyone in this train.. an accident is something that happens eventhough nobody wanted to and knowing it before, would react and stop to avoit it. Accidents don't need to be unlucky...sometimes people just "provoke" death... its obvious that the train driver knew the fatal results that high speed could make but he didnt mind, becuase in other cases nothing happened.. but, how its used to be said: nobody reacts seriously at time until seeing that lifes are in danger or, whats worst, after these cases... Im sure that train drivers right now are keeping rules straight on line.. a week ago im sure that nobody was worried about speeds in trains so much as after this accident. Everything now is much more controlled by train staff in or out the train... WARNING: what im gonna say is in my most humble opinion: but sometimes things like this HAVE to happen to make people think of it and make arranges like more security, more control to prevent these accidents..
I repeat: this last opinion isnt standing for nothing... but i think it that way..

Dead's relatives would probabily kill you . "things like this have to happen?"  You mad?

One asshole didn't do his job and "things like this have to happen?

Congrats for your sensibility . What if one of the dead were your relative /friends? Would you say the swame thing ?

"she has a point. sadly, often people need mistakes to learn from." <----- he got what i ment... you didnt.. even with warning and explaining my intentions you dont seem to get it tommy... im obviously not saying it was good that to happen.. just that people dont learn and react until something gets harmed..

[[MAF]Karlis]

@nero
actually that was the first thing that i thought about when i saw this, but yeah, that is what i meant by learning from mistakes.
they learned that the double metal ring wheels with amortizing rubber padding in between were not durable enough, and switched back to less comfortable, but durable solid metal wheels.

[[AK47]Tommy_Vicious]

i don't agree with yours pov.

"We are really sorry, for your loss , but people need mistakes to learn from".

[[MAF]Aj_Lajk_Bir]

It's sad to see no one here remembers Eschede, Germany in 1998, but a lot of you are maybe too young to remember...

lol, every country has their own tragedies and rest of the world probably dont even know about them or just heard and forgot next day.

for example:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katowice_Trade_Hall_roof_collapse

i don't think some of you knew about it

[[MAF]Karlis]

i don't agree with yours pov.

"We are really sorry, for your loss , but people need mistakes to learn from".

we don't mean it this way.
of course its better if it doesn't happen, but when it happens instead of ripping driver apart and putting all the blame on him the case should be investigated so it can be prevented next time.
it's very easy to say that the driver was just an idiot but that won't help as much as as a flaw found would.
that brings to the point im saying all the time, the driver might be an idiot, but saying "there is no mystery, totally his fault" before any investigation or matching info is just stupid and doesn't help anyone.

[Kitty~♥]

i don't agree with yours pov.

"We are really sorry, for your loss , but people need mistakes to learn from".

we don't mean it this way.
of course its better if it doesn't happen, but when it happens instead of ripping driver apart and putting all the blame on him the case should be investigated so it can be prevented next time.
it's very easy to say that the driver was just an idiot but that won't help as much as as a flaw found would.
that brings to the point im saying all the time, the driver might be an idiot, but saying "there is no mystery, totally his fault" before any investigation or matching info is just stupid and doesn't help anyone.

agree once more like with the rest ... im glad that some people do get my point correctly

[[AK47]Tommy_Vicious]

ok i've understood , just a question : was it the first time he drove the train on that specifically route?

[Kitty~♥]

ok i've understood , just a question : was it the first time he drove the train on that specifically route?

I dont think so... it would be a possible "cause" of the accident..

[RuBenXitoH]

It's so pointless to keep talking/discussing about this.. time will tell us the real truth about this accident.

[[FSR]Ush]

^

[Żurrieq]

It's so pointless to keep talking/discussing about this.. time will tell us the real truth about this accident.

I really agree with him...