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Offline Gornall43

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New FPS rule sucks
« on: July 23, 2013, 06:00:53 pm »
Look this new FPS rule is completely stupid and really we should go back to he old ways, it was fine then why can't it be fine now?

Reasons for it
-"FPS abuse is annoying"
-  FPS abuse is noobish and unfair

Reasons against it

-People with shit PC's can't always make records
-It only works sometimes e.g. I have had fps limiter on in a plane race once and it didn't let me have the record, the next time it did....
-All the records that currently stand can't be beaten and are unfair, and there are far too many to go back and clear records
-it's the way it's always been and it's just part of the game
- It's players own loss if they choose not to FPS abuse or even use it strategically
- It sometimes says "record making deactivated at any random time"

So I think we should just go back to the old ways

Offline [MAF]mooman

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Re: New FPS rule sucks
« Reply #1 on: July 23, 2013, 06:29:38 pm »
-People with shit PC's can't always make records
Nor can people with shit pings. GTA:SA is not the most demanding game and we can't hold ourselves back for the sake of a few people who refuse to upgrade.
-It only works sometimes e.g. I have had fps limiter on in a plane race once and it didn't let me have the record, the next time it did....
If the implementation is flawed that says nothing about the idea
-All the records that currently stand can't be beaten and are unfair, and there are far too many to go back and clear records
So what's the alternative? Force everyone to start FPS abusing so that's it's fair again? I think it's fairer and easier just ban what the minority is unfairly doing. And there may be a lot of records to delete but compared to the alternative you're proposing it's the lesser of two evils.
-it's the way it's always been and it's just part of the game
FPS abuse is a new "innovation" and even though it was always part of the game (for boats, for example) it is stil extremely annoying to do. By not allowing it, we free ourselves from the need to make our games borderline unplayable
- It's players own loss if they choose not to FPS abuse or even use it strategically
You could say this for any kind of abuse. "Oh yeah well everyone uses lamp mods so it's your loss if you don't", "it's your loss if you want to run 100m and not take steroids". In both those cases and the case of FPS abuse, the fair thing to do is to ban the obviously unfair techniques of winning to allow everyone to play fairly
- It sometimes says "record making deactivated at any random time"
Not sure what that means
So I think we should just go back to the old ways
Why? Do you really care about players with terrible PCs? Do you not care about the players who can't even use FPS limit properly? (it doesn't work for everyone) Wouldn't you rather play without all this stress about FPS or are your old records too hard to let go of?
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Re: New FPS rule sucks
« Reply #2 on: July 23, 2013, 06:34:08 pm »
lol and what can I say...
Never mind then it would seem i have been over ruled.

Offline pajk

Re: New FPS rule sucks
« Reply #3 on: July 23, 2013, 06:36:30 pm »
I kinda like the new fps rule but its pretty unfair that all records with boats/ planes can't be beaten from now.. imo we should just delete those records one by one, i know theres lots of them

Offline [MAF]Karlis

Re: New FPS rule sucks
« Reply #4 on: July 23, 2013, 06:40:49 pm »
-It only works sometimes e.g. I have had fps limiter on in a plane race once and it didn't let me have the record, the next time it did....
then report when and how it happens, i can't fix thing that i have no info (or even knowledge of existing) to.
- It sometimes says "record making deactivated at any random time"
it means you have a lag spike which drops your fps under the limit.
i will fine-tune it eventually, so it is not that unforgiving.

and pajko, we will delete the records, but first we need to build up a base of new and fair ones.

Offline [2F2F]PK

Re: New FPS rule sucks
« Reply #5 on: July 23, 2013, 07:11:01 pm »
Yea it's rly annoying to me also, in some spots i got less than 30 fps, and what if im doing a 5 min long race, come near end and get to the spot where i lag.. and would be fucking unfair that i can't do the record anymore.

Offline [MAF]Snoopy

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Re: New FPS rule sucks
« Reply #6 on: July 23, 2013, 07:14:12 pm »
I like the FPS rule. Shame people will still abuse it in plane and boat races and probably other races too just to get a win on their account. Still makes the rest of us lose even if we choose to keep our FPS at 100, guess there's nothing that can be done about that :(

Offline ►R1d3r™

Re: New FPS rule sucks
« Reply #7 on: July 23, 2013, 07:31:49 pm »
 /fpslimit 20-90 forever O0


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Re: New FPS rule sucks
« Reply #8 on: July 24, 2013, 01:58:23 am »
group of ppl who enjoy plane races (there are some) may suffer from this...

but wait? at 1st it was said not to swich during race, but now what? even setting before race? blah...

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Offline [FSR]Ush

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Re: New FPS rule sucks
« Reply #9 on: July 24, 2013, 02:07:40 am »
Best rule ever! (And no, I'm not being sarcastic)

Offline [2F2F]RedBull

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Re: New FPS rule sucks
« Reply #10 on: July 24, 2013, 07:26:46 am »
That new rule, has totally ruined my races.... I have got my HDD broken with some broken sectors and my fps drops from 75 to 14... I'm not abusing with any mod or sth... it's just because of my hardware.... and the half of the races the server says that I got my "record making deactivated", I think it's pretty unfair in this point...   :(

Offline Scorpion.

Re: New FPS rule sucks
« Reply #11 on: July 24, 2013, 08:21:46 am »
That new rule, has totally ruined my races.... I have got my HDD broken with some broken sectors and my fps drops from 75 to 14... I'm not abusing with any mod or sth... it's just because of my hardware.... and the half of the races the server says that I got my "record making deactivated", I think it's pretty unfair in this point...   :(
1 time happened to me my fps dropped and i got that phrases"record deactived,fps abusing or other things.."", i wasn't first but 7th

Offline nero

Re: New FPS rule sucks
« Reply #12 on: July 24, 2013, 08:23:30 am »
Hm, I'm playing on a mid-level laptop and I never ever got that message up since this exists.

This doesn't "ruin races" or the fun while driving like a lot of people said, it just influences record making. So please be honest when complaining.

Offline [MAF]Karlis

Re: New FPS rule sucks
« Reply #13 on: July 24, 2013, 09:09:23 am »
the problem is, the more lag spikes i allow to be made, the more of them could actually be made on purpose.
i will adjust it somewhat, but you will have to deal with it.
also, a drop from 75 to 14fps would certainly make you lose like 300ms just from the spike itself so the record being deactivated is not that big of a deal.

and red bull... get new HDD asap. once it starts failing like this it can totally break in any moment and make you lose all your files.

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Re: New FPS rule sucks
« Reply #14 on: July 24, 2013, 11:27:53 am »
You guys should complain on the SA-MP forums, maybe make a topic about it? It's GTA SA's fault... but also SA-MP, we need a global FPS limit, but we'll probably never get one. We need these measures because we don't have any other way of getting around it.

Offline McD0n3ld

Re: New FPS rule sucks
« Reply #15 on: July 24, 2013, 11:30:03 am »
have this rule been tested in one world race with many people?

Offline [MAF]Karlis

Re: New FPS rule sucks
« Reply #16 on: July 24, 2013, 12:10:20 pm »
yes

Offline PGV[NeoElite]

Re: New FPS rule sucks
« Reply #17 on: July 29, 2013, 09:37:16 pm »
I agree it is an unneeded rule  :-X

Offline [FSR]Berkut

Re: New FPS rule sucks
« Reply #18 on: July 31, 2013, 10:32:26 pm »
i did an endurance race in /tt with no frame limit , almost 14 minutes race , and i had spike lag for no reason and bamm , my time wasn't take in count and i was totally clear ( i know i should got top5 because i checked records )

imagine that a spike lag what ruined a long race and be sure to have record

Offline [MAF]Karlis

Re: New FPS rule sucks
« Reply #19 on: August 04, 2013, 08:39:57 pm »
i just came back from holidays, so i wasn't able to do it before, but i (or someone else) will somehow make it more resistant in long races soon.

Offline ViperTunnelViper

Re: New FPS rule sucks
« Reply #20 on: September 14, 2013, 05:07:40 pm »
I have some top times in /tt.  I play with the frame limiter on and I use /fpslimit 30, because it makes bumps in the road actually fuck with your car.  It also makes vehicles feel more agile and fun to drive (the way they should feel).  I can't compete with the majority of top times on AdrenX, simply because those who use high FPS can cruise over elevation changes like they aren't even present.  My records are on courses that are - mostly - flat roads.  They exclude bumps, and don't require cutting between lamp posts, driving over sidewalks, etc.  Now I join the server, and I'm told I can't set any more records because my choice of FPS is abusive?

The majority of you guys don't understand how much bumps in the road can kick you out of the game.  You don't feel bumps with the frame limiter off.  Just ask [2F2F]Mute, he saw how badly I struggled on a bumpy course when asking me to beat his time.  SA:MP is not the kind of game where you should be telling people how to run their system.  You are not hosting a console version, where limitations on FPS are a clear-cut deal.  SA:MP is a spastic game by definition, and to even consider "fairness" a possibility is laughably naive.

Play the way you want to play, and let others play the way they want to play.  Maybe you should try competing with your high FPS times using a low FPS.

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Re: New FPS rule sucks
« Reply #21 on: September 14, 2013, 06:42:48 pm »
You still can get random bumps on a 100 fps. Even on a flat road, you get random bumps a lot, I don't even know where they come from sometimes.

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Re: New FPS rule sucks
« Reply #22 on: September 14, 2013, 07:05:24 pm »
Amazing to see how wrong you're.. more fps = more bumps, ask me ;_;

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Re: New FPS rule sucks
« Reply #23 on: September 15, 2013, 03:27:18 pm »
Amazing to see how wrong you're.. more fps = more bumps, ask me ;_;

actually lower fps is much more bumpy, try driving a hotring over a curb on 30 fps, lol.

Offline [MAF]Karlis

Re: New FPS rule sucks
« Reply #24 on: September 15, 2013, 03:33:41 pm »
it doesn't matter. there are enough low fps advantages that we need to disallow using it.

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Re: New FPS rule sucks
« Reply #25 on: September 15, 2013, 03:40:11 pm »
Amazing to see how wrong you're.. more fps = more bumps, ask me ;_;

actually lower fps is much more bumpy, try driving a hotring over a curb on 30 fps, lol.

ye that bumps more on curbs, but at higher frames random bumps may appear in normal flat roads

it doesn't matter. there are enough low fps advantages that we need to disallow using it.
apart top speed and lot better handling is see nothing more
acceleration at low frames is so bad that in 70% cases makes you stand no chance - untill long straight appears

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Offline [MAF]Karlis

Re: New FPS rule sucks
« Reply #26 on: September 15, 2013, 04:01:34 pm »
apart top speed and lot better handling is see nothing more
acceleration at low frames is so bad that in 70% cases makes you stand no chance - untill long straight appears

oh so suddenly you forgot the ridiculous grip? it won't happen.

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Re: New FPS rule sucks
« Reply #27 on: September 15, 2013, 04:06:55 pm »
apart top speed and lot better handling is see nothing more
acceleration at low frames is so bad that in 70% cases makes you stand no chance - untill long straight appears

oh so suddenly you forgot the ridiculous grip? it won't happen.
i said about handling, coz grip is lot worse at low fps - try driving banshee or sabre, at low fps they got superhandling, but nearly zero grip making you spin every corner

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Re: New FPS rule sucks
« Reply #28 on: September 15, 2013, 04:31:48 pm »
in my opinion, the rule should be 'your fps can't change once you've started the race', so if you start at 23 fps, and you go to 100fps (somehow) it will do the 'record making disabled' thing. however, if you start at 23 and finish at 23, your record will count. this way, people who start on low fps all the time like vipertunnel does, can still make records because their fps doesn't change from start to finish.

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Re: New FPS rule sucks
« Reply #29 on: September 15, 2013, 06:40:45 pm »
in my opinion, the rule should be 'your fps can't change once you've started the race', so if you start at 23 fps, and you go to 100fps (somehow) it will do the 'record making disabled' thing. however, if you start at 23 and finish at 23, your record will count. this way, people who start on low fps all the time like vipertunnel does, can still make records because their fps doesn't change from start to finish.


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Re: New FPS rule sucks
« Reply #30 on: September 16, 2013, 10:21:19 am »
in my opinion, the rule should be 'your fps can't change once you've started the race', so if you start at 23 fps, and you go to 100fps (somehow) it will do the 'record making disabled' thing. however, if you start at 23 and finish at 23, your record will count. this way, people who start on low fps all the time like vipertunnel does, can still make records because their fps doesn't change from start to finish.

Wouldn't really work unless you define 23 fps or 100fps, if you have unstable fps you will never be able to make records if this got implemented...

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Re: New FPS rule sucks
« Reply #31 on: September 16, 2013, 03:52:47 pm »
then if it changes to a different fps for a certain amount of time, then it disables it. so if your fps jumps, your record won't be deactivated, i've not known fps to jump or drop for longer than two seconds so it shouldn't be too hard to solve that problem.

and if your fps does drop that much for that length of time, then you probably won't be able to make records whether or not it's deactivated for you or not.

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Re: New FPS rule sucks
« Reply #32 on: September 16, 2013, 09:53:54 pm »
The way karlis is working it out will be better..

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Re: New FPS rule sucks
« Reply #33 on: September 27, 2013, 02:26:59 pm »
You guys should complain on the SA-MP forums, maybe make a topic about it? It's GTA SA's fault... but also SA-MP, we need a global FPS limit, but we'll probably never get one. We need these measures because we don't have any other way of getting around it.
That's why MTA is the best option for a fair and enjoyable racing..