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Offline musicloveR

Disscusion about new /F
« on: July 16, 2012, 08:14:27 am »
ok so as someone of you may already know, we have new version of /F
your vehicle must be non-moving to flip your vehicle, which doesnt sound that bad in theory, but when you start to race you'll see how bad madmax's idea is. i see it like hardcore mode but you can repair your vehicle..
so i opened this topic to disscus about this bad thing which has come to ax to ruin our lives.
i added a pool too so you can vote for /F you would like to see on the server running
(NOTE:go to the server before voting and try new /F, drive couple of races so you can see how much it sucks)

peace.

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Re: Disscusion about new /F
« Reply #1 on: July 16, 2012, 08:32:23 am »
Bring the old flip back. Please.

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Re: Disscusion about new /F
« Reply #2 on: July 16, 2012, 08:55:32 am »
new /f sucks, sorry

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Re: Disscusion about new /F
« Reply #3 on: July 16, 2012, 09:13:52 am »
actually speed doesn't have to be 0, just below a certain amount. maybe we can test with higher limits before getting rid of the idea totally because people are using it as a brake and that is not what it was made for
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Re: Disscusion about new /F
« Reply #4 on: July 16, 2012, 09:38:17 am »
kinda agree with you, but why would we change it after years of using it? i've seen flip command on some other servers and car doesnt even stop when you use flip command lol, no speed loss at all.
"old" /F made our server unique and you are now ruing it  :'(

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Re: Disscusion about new /F
« Reply #5 on: July 16, 2012, 09:53:05 am »
to be honest i don't see anything wrong about using it as a brake, because full stop to 0 speed always gives time penalty in comparison to normal turn/etc.
only thing where the brake could be useful is when you fly, you could quickly type /f and save yourself few meters to go back or even get on something you would potentially miss without it. in either of those cases you already at least lost a position or 2.
also old /f is a must in stuntmode w/ speed.
maybe buildmode should have an option to disable the braking?

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Re: Disscusion about new /F
« Reply #6 on: July 16, 2012, 10:03:13 am »
You know I read this thread before testing the new /F out and I was thinking to myself oh god why fix something that ain't broken then I was about to go on a rant and say why change one of the ideas that I made happen. Then I went to test /F out and it is a brilliant idea.

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Re: Disscusion about new /F
« Reply #7 on: July 16, 2012, 10:16:20 am »
i bumped on one of those SF downhills and my car flipped in the air, but i couldnt do flip because of high speed. i dont know why you changed it, it wasnt abused a lot



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Re: Disscusion about new /F
« Reply #8 on: July 16, 2012, 10:23:21 am »
its good but people need to get used to it
because we were abusing it
everybody were

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Re: Disscusion about new /F
« Reply #9 on: July 16, 2012, 10:29:47 am »
its good but people need to get used to it
because we were abusing it
everybody were



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Re: Disscusion about new /F
« Reply #10 on: July 16, 2012, 10:31:39 am »
Felt like stealing your words :L

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Re: Disscusion about new /F
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Re: Disscusion about new /F
« Reply #12 on: July 16, 2012, 03:03:10 pm »
to ppl information

this is the OLD /F that we used to have before someone posted video about abusing it in landing jumpss (2008 and so)

then after someone posted a videeo about ppl abusing /f to land perfectly

we had a discussion and figured out to stop ppl abuse /f to land, make it stop car

but now agian flips is like old days, but to totally stop abusing, it is limited

can't be abused to land perfectly after jump
and can't be abused as instant brake

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[04:20:36] MadMax[MAF] [24]:{ffffff} very annoying in races

[04:20:44] MadMax[MAF] [24]:{ffffff} knowing game physics

[04:20:56] Mosca [9]:{ffffff} hmm, well, sometimes i crashed on flippers too

[04:21:05] MadMax[MAF] [24]:{ffffff} you expect car fly away, start to roll overal epic crash

[04:21:15] MadMax[MAF] [24]:{ffffff} and they just did /f

[04:21:37] MadMax[MAF] [24]:{ffffff} and ppl behind who expected free space in seconds, hit into car that instantly

[04:21:37] stopped

[04:22:12] [MAF]mooman [7]:{ffffff}  /flip (imo) is meant for when your car is like a turtle, stuck on its back and

[04:22:12] unable to roll over


[04:22:14] MadMax[MAF] [24]:{ffffff} also

[04:22:19] MadMax[MAF] [24]:{ffffff} ye

[04:22:27] MadMax[MAF] [24]:{ffffff} btw remeber old flip

[04:22:34] MadMax[MAF] [24]:{ffffff} when you wre normal placed

[04:22:36] [MAF]mooman [7]:{ffffff} ye

[04:22:36] MadMax[MAF] [24]:{ffffff} and do /f

[04:22:43] MadMax[MAF] [24]:{ffffff} car turns upside down

[04:22:46] Mosca [9]:{ffffff} haha it turned you over?

[04:22:47] [MAF]mooman [7]:{ffffff} lol really

[04:22:47] New Highscore (1) by [OSR]Draguna who finished 1st in 2:24.706  (Score:+9.63)

[04:22:48] Mosca [9]:{ffffff} lol

[04:22:58] [MAF]mooman [7]:{ffffff} well

[04:23:00] [OSR]haubitze [11]:{ffffff} sry

[04:23:01] [OSR]haubitze finished 2nd in 2:38.825 (Score:+8.33)

[04:23:02] [MAF]mooman [7]:{ffffff} it does what it says

[04:23:03] MadMax[MAF] [24]:{ffffff} i mean old one, before it started to stop ppl

[04:23:13] [MAF]mooman [7]:{ffffff} i never remember it doing that haha

[04:23:13] [OSR]haubitze [11]:{ffffff} sry agus

[04:23:13] [MWR]Cristian finished 3rd in 2:51.318 (Score:+7.00)

[04:23:15] [FSR]Agus finished 4th in 2:53.369 (Score:+5.65)

[04:23:16] [FSR]Agus [6]:{ffffff} np

[04:23:17] MadMax[MAF] [24]:{ffffff} before that topic about /flip abuse

[04:23:27] MadMax[MAF] [24]:{ffffff} in perfect landing

[04:23:31] [MAF]mooman [7]:{ffffff} i thought it just didn't make velocity 0

[04:23:38] [OSR]haubitze [11]:{ffffff} it was hardcore ramm

[04:23:39] [OSR]haubitze [11]:{ffffff} D:

[04:23:44] MadMax[MAF] [24]:{ffffff} old flip was like

[04:23:55] [MAF]mooman [7]:{ffffff} air control is more fun

[04:23:55] MadMax[MAF] [24]:{ffffff} do nothing more than turn car 180 degree

[04:23:59] [MAF]mooman [7]:{ffffff} lol

[04:24:06] MadMax[MAF] [24]:{ffffff} then it was abused in landing jumps

[04:24:12] MadMax[MAF] [24]:{ffffff} by ghostrider

[04:24:17] MadMax[MAF] [24]:{ffffff} remeber vid ?

[04:24:22] [MAF]mooman [7]:{ffffff} not really

[04:24:23] MadMax[MAF] [24]:{ffffff} then it was made to stop car

[04:24:25] Głosowanie zostało zakończone! {00B4FF}lvracing{0AFF0A} wygrywa {00B4FF}3{0AFF0A} głosami.

[04:24:26] raketa forced into /AFK (Idle)

[04:24:26] Ze_Colmeia forced into /AFK (Idle)

[04:24:28] [MAF]mooman is now back racing!

[04:24:32] MadMax[MAF] [24]:{ffffff} maybe i bump that 3 years old topic

[04:24:34] lvracing {00B4FF}by{00FF93} [T5]M0BsT3R   {00B4FF}1.6 Miles  [27/02/2008]

[04:24:34] {FFFF00}1:07.815 by [$annii]NSG[{00FF93}  {00B4FF}  None   

[04:25:40] [MAF]mooman [7]:{ffffff} yay i get my own world

[04:25:40] raketa has left the server! ({FF0000}Leaving{AFAFAF}) 84.240.50.169

[04:25:40] Mosca [9]:{ffffff} that place must be crawling with memes right about now then

[04:25:40] [MAF]mooman [7]:{ffffff} where

[04:25:45] MadMax[MAF] [24]:{ffffff} oops moo

[04:25:47] Mosca [9]:{ffffff} 'your' world

[04:25:49] MadMax[MAF] [24]:{ffffff} 1 more thing

[04:26:01] [OSR]haubitze finished 1st in 1:10.289 (Score:+4.94)

[04:26:01] [MAF]mooman finished 2nd in 1:10.495 (Score:+4.03)

[04:26:01] [OSR]Draguna finished 3rd in 1:10.691 (Score:+2.80)

[04:26:01] MadMax[MAF] [24]:{ffffff} exclude speed limits in tourney'

[04:26:01] [MWR]Cristian finished 4th in 1:11.037 (Score:+1.90)

[04:26:06] [FSR]Agus finished 5th in 1:16.000 (Score:+0.96)

[04:26:10] MadMax[MAF] [24]:{ffffff} coz ppl may find unfair

[04:26:10] [MAF]mooman [7]:{ffffff} ok

[04:26:12] [MAF]mooman [7]:{ffffff} well

[04:26:17] [MAF]mooman [7]:{ffffff} i didn't bother to add it to /tt yet

[04:26:20] [MAF]mooman [7]:{ffffff} so that works

[04:26:23] Głosowanie zostało zakończone! {00B4FF}SlamvanSeries_4{0AFF0A} wygrywa {00B4FF}2{0AFF0A} głosami.

[04:26:24] *** {0AFF0A}raketa{00FF00} (Lithuania) has joined the server [Registered Player] 0 84.240.50.169

[04:26:30] MadMax[MAF] [24]:{ffffff} ah so tourney and tt are not affected ?

[04:26:32] SlamvanSeries_4 {00B4FF}by{00FF93} [MAF]mooman   {00B4FF}2.5 Miles  Part 4

[04:26:32] {FFFF00}1:36.104 by [2F2F]DodgeR{00FF93}  {00B4FF}Time Trial  None   

[04:26:32] Ze_Colmeia is now back racing!

[04:26:38] [MAF]mooman [7]:{ffffff} no

[04:26:41] MadMax[MAF] has entered /TT

[04:26:42] [Twój rekord] Czas:  1_second_drag - --:--:---

[04:26:43] Mosca [9]:{ffffff} so neither should have stunt

[04:26:43] 1_second_drag by mooman   (18.7 Miles) [19/12/2009] ..or not 

[04:26:43] {FFFF00}11:02.916 by InZaneR {00B4FF}

[04:26:56] MadMax[MAF] [24]:{ffffff} nice

[04:26:58] [MAF]mooman [7]:{ffffff} it wasn't planned to add stunt but stunt uses the same code as race

[04:26:58] [MWR]Cristian has entered /STUNT

[04:26:59] [Twój rekord] Czas:  SlamvanSeries_4 - 1:41.557

[04:26:59] MadMax[MAF] is now back racing!

[04:27:03] [MAF]mooman [7]:{ffffff} tt and tourney are separate

[04:27:05] Mosca [9]:{ffffff} ah

[04:27:11] MadMax[MAF] [24]:{ffffff} can try in tourney too

[04:27:27] MadMax[MAF] [24]:{ffffff} i mean can access tourney race without competiting

[04:27:47] [MAF]mooman [7]:{ffffff} can you

[04:27:50] MadMax[MAF] [24]:{ffffff} how ?

[04:27:55] [MAF]mooman [7]:{ffffff}  were you ever added

[04:27:58] MadMax[MAF] [24]:{ffffff} no

[04:28:07] [MAF]mooman [7]:{ffffff} mosca?

[04:28:13] Mosca [9]:{ffffff} no

[04:28:16] [MAF]mooman [7]:{ffffff} hm

[04:28:22] [MAF]mooman [7]:{ffffff} i did the coding

[04:28:25] [MAF]mooman [7]:{ffffff} no need to test

and as mooman pointed few post above, speed limit can be made bit higher, ovaral idea is to avoid ppl doing this:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmUkjCzGqMo&feature=youtu.be[/youtube]
« Last Edit: July 16, 2012, 03:50:24 pm by MadMax »

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Re: Disscusion about new /F
« Reply #13 on: July 16, 2012, 03:17:09 pm »
People don't like change when they're used to something. But change is what keeps the world moving.

I for one like this idea

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Re: Disscusion about new /F
« Reply #14 on: July 16, 2012, 04:23:28 pm »
Kill all the jews then. For real, higher speed limit would be fine.

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Re: Disscusion about new /F
« Reply #15 on: July 16, 2012, 04:41:29 pm »
Higher speed limit would be fine imo too

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Re: Disscusion about new /F
« Reply #16 on: July 16, 2012, 04:43:21 pm »
hmm, how high it would need to be?

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Re: Disscusion about new /F
« Reply #17 on: July 16, 2012, 05:11:53 pm »
No idea how it's atm

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Re: Disscusion about new /F
« Reply #18 on: July 16, 2012, 05:37:22 pm »
around 35 mph now

well 50 mph would be good too

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Re: Disscusion about new /F
« Reply #19 on: July 16, 2012, 05:50:50 pm »
kinda agree with you, but why would we change it after years of using it? i've seen flip command on some other servers and car doesnt even stop when you use flip command lol, no speed loss at all.
"old" /F made our server unique and you are now ruing it  :'(

We had the /flip that doesn't decrease car speed before the "old" one... and we had the old one before that too, so I wouldn't say its history is any reason to keep it.

I can see how the new /f might be shit, but a skilled racer wouldn't need it anyway so if we can prevent bug abuse by changing it, then why not? Of course, I'd have to actually try it out on the server first...

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Re: Disscusion about new /F
« Reply #20 on: July 16, 2012, 09:18:39 pm »
i bumped on one of those SF downhills and my car flipped in the air, but i couldnt do flip because of high speed. i dont know why you changed it, it wasnt abused a lot

that is my main reason for disliking the new /f

Imagine you're going downhill chilliad and you suddently turn over your car by a bump or sth and you're going towards the edge of the road. Usually yo'd just use /f to avoid falling off, but now...
I was in the right, yes absolutely in the right. I certainly was in the right... I dunno I was really drunk at the time...

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Re: Disscusion about new /F
« Reply #21 on: July 16, 2012, 09:58:42 pm »
you have /sos for that. it is /flip not /superbrake and that is just an example of abusing tbh. because even though you're flipped, it's not the car flipping you're using /f for but the stopping
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Re: Disscusion about new /F
« Reply #22 on: July 16, 2012, 10:26:58 pm »
pod had kinda good suggestion

make flip that works only when car is actually upside down

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Re: Disscusion about new /F
« Reply #23 on: July 16, 2012, 10:47:24 pm »
Good idea as well

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Re: Disscusion about new /F
« Reply #24 on: July 17, 2012, 12:15:25 am »
Nice idea, but would it still have a speed limit? Because if it doesn't, still some people would maybe turn the car in the air to make it be upside down and use /f...

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Re: Disscusion about new /F
« Reply #25 on: July 17, 2012, 12:22:11 am »
you have /sos for that. it is /flip not /superbrake and that is just an example of abusing tbh. because even though you're flipped, it's not the car flipping you're using /f for but the stopping

yeah but sos brings you 5 seconds back and sometimes you may spawn on a bad place.. oh well we will just have to get used to new/old flip i guess

P.S. make it so you can flip your car if its sideways, you cant flip it and its fucking annoying
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Re: Disscusion about new /F
« Reply #26 on: July 17, 2012, 01:07:28 am »
pod had kinda good suggestion

make flip that works only when car is actually upside down

Nice idea, but would it still have a speed limit? Because if it doesn't, still some people would maybe turn the car in the air to make it be upside down and use /f...

I also had that idea. Think I told it on server not sure tho :L But @ agus, /f still stops you.. so that would make your argument invalid I guess.
But problem is.. 2 wheels can be a pain as well (sometimes you end up like that), would it register you as 'upside' down?

Or we maybe just have to live with this.. I'm not sure how bad this change is, or how good. I had no problems with the 'old' /f (I barely ever hit someone who uses it).

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Re: Disscusion about new /F
« Reply #27 on: July 17, 2012, 01:14:31 am »
But @ agus, /f still stops you..

Yeah, I said what I said knowing that :p
« Last Edit: July 17, 2012, 01:49:11 am by [FSR]Agus »

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Re: Disscusion about new /F
« Reply #28 on: July 17, 2012, 01:40:00 am »
Ah I understand. I was confused with the /f that didnt stop you. Well yeah.. but you will need time to turn the car then..

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Re: Disscusion about new /F
« Reply #29 on: July 17, 2012, 01:50:47 am »
True, but it isn't so hard to do, specially in long jumps (when the fails happen more often than in short :L)

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Re: Disscusion about new /F
« Reply #30 on: July 17, 2012, 04:25:44 am »
del all the recs that used the old /f  >:D

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Re: Disscusion about new /F
« Reply #31 on: July 17, 2012, 06:13:38 am »
Just add 1,5 sec freeze to it and keep it the way it is.. Speed calculation wont give us exacly what we want. Instead will bring more lags to the server.

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Re: Disscusion about new /F
« Reply #32 on: July 17, 2012, 09:05:03 am »
I just realised if you are falling down a hill on your roof or something you are totally fucked lol.

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Re: Disscusion about new /F
« Reply #33 on: July 17, 2012, 09:06:18 am »
del all the recs that used the old /f  >:D

Agree!  ::)

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Re: Disscusion about new /F
« Reply #34 on: July 17, 2012, 09:54:11 am »
as we are not getting back the brake i like the upside down idea.

and dont worry, records can always be deld  >:D

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Re: Disscusion about new /F
« Reply #35 on: July 17, 2012, 10:54:20 am »
Kill all the jews then.
nah, bigger problem now are muslims.

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Re: Disscusion about new /F
« Reply #36 on: July 17, 2012, 12:16:38 pm »
Kill all the jews then.
nah, bigger problem now are muslims.
nah, bigger problem now are germans.

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Re: Disscusion about new /F
« Reply #37 on: July 17, 2012, 03:15:49 pm »
Kill all the jews then.
nah, bigger problem now are muslims.
nah, bigger problem now are germans.
and brasilian.

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Re: Disscusion about new /F
« Reply #38 on: July 18, 2012, 02:08:54 pm »
delete new /f system, sucks a lot... want old /f  :'(


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Re: Disscusion about new /F
« Reply #39 on: July 18, 2012, 05:50:48 pm »
another good idea

make back /flip that stops you, but

when you do /f your car is repaired instantly, but gets flipped after random time varing from 3 to 5 seconds

so if you do /f just at the edge of cliff, you won't be able to abuse it as instant brake

also random time (from 3 to 5 seconds) will make you not able to predict when to do /f to use it as brake

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Re: Disscusion about new /F
« Reply #40 on: July 18, 2012, 06:08:55 pm »
pod's idea is most clean out of those.

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Re: Disscusion about new /F
« Reply #41 on: July 19, 2012, 06:21:49 pm »

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Re: Disscusion about new /F
« Reply #42 on: July 19, 2012, 06:36:32 pm »
lol :L

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Re: Disscusion about new /F
« Reply #43 on: July 19, 2012, 07:07:34 pm »
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Re: Disscusion about new /F
« Reply #44 on: July 19, 2012, 07:56:37 pm »
i added a pool too

thank youuuu



lmao... That's exactly how flip works now. Watching your car sliding into the water :L

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Re: Disscusion about new /F
« Reply #45 on: July 19, 2012, 08:05:39 pm »
:L

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Re: Disscusion about new /F
« Reply #46 on: July 19, 2012, 08:12:26 pm »
is he trying to flip a table?

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Re: Disscusion about new /F
« Reply #47 on: July 19, 2012, 08:16:54 pm »
Dunno... I will throw a party too someday after sliding into water for 100th time.

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Re: Disscusion about new /F
« Reply #48 on: July 19, 2012, 08:19:00 pm »
the old flip is wayyy better and safer when it comes to one world, i mean once you'r flipped on high speed you might crash into others and ruin their racing .... i suggest bring back the old /F  :police:

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Re: Disscusion about new /F
« Reply #49 on: July 29, 2012, 09:55:12 am »
old /f for the win!

once i have raced on sandking...
suddenly i caught some bump and the car was going to turn over...
BUT it kept going thus sliding sideways over the surface with good speed quite long...
i couldn't use /f at that moment...
the car wasn't able to turn over or level off on wheels at all and i ended up floating in the ocean

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Re: Disscusion about new /F
« Reply #50 on: August 05, 2012, 11:37:39 pm »
The old flip was better because it was more fun and you can control your car more.  If the flip was changed simply because people were abusing it then why not add 'xx' amount of time to it before it can be used again? or better yet, limit the flip command to 3 times per race if possible?

It's better to have what I said than one crash potentially destroying your whole race especially if a race is like 10~15minutes long. What's the point of adding a speed limit of 50mph'ish to it when you car is traveling at like 100mph 90% of the time? It might as well be disabled unless you enjoy the view of your vehicle sliding on its roof to a near complete halt.

Just my 2 cents,

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Re: Disscusion about new /F
« Reply #51 on: August 06, 2012, 12:16:47 am »
so make flip working only if car is 'upside down', or make flip not stopping car, when it go too fast (just flipping it)

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Re: Disscusion about new /F
« Reply #52 on: August 06, 2012, 08:11:10 am »
What about the records, where the old flip where used the most of the time? (This sounds a bit like a record-whore, but i dont care lol)

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Re: Disscusion about new /F
« Reply #53 on: August 06, 2012, 08:26:19 am »
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Re: Disscusion about new /F
« Reply #54 on: August 06, 2012, 01:09:43 pm »
or just bring the old /f back, the easiest thing you can do

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« Reply #55 on: August 06, 2012, 01:39:25 pm »
or just bring the old /f back, the easiest thing you can do
AND wipe records

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Re: Disscusion about new /F
« Reply #56 on: August 06, 2012, 05:06:56 pm »
easiest ye, but still doesn't slove the problem

please, help us think of a way where ppl won't be able to stop instantly, i m running out of ideas right now  :-\

about records, i m not sure using flip would help in any race (coz car stops instantly, losing much speed and time that is needed to accelerate again)

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Re: Disscusion about new /F
« Reply #57 on: August 06, 2012, 05:31:28 pm »
or just bring the old /f back, the easiest thing you can do
AND wipe records

Most records are done without (ab)using /f.. so I find that kinda bullshit. Why delete records where most people tried hard for?

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« Reply #58 on: August 06, 2012, 09:43:04 pm »
what about flip = flip car + reduce speed in 30kmh?

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Re: Disscusion about new /F
« Reply #59 on: August 06, 2012, 10:01:23 pm »
I think that, up to now, the best option is the one pod mentioned, flipping the car only when it's upside down, but in some cases it may be abused too I think.

Or why don't we just make /f flip car without losing speed and that's it?

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Re: Disscusion about new /F
« Reply #60 on: August 06, 2012, 10:10:19 pm »
Or why don't we just make /f flip car without losing speed and that's it?
then people can make perfect landings
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Re: Disscusion about new /F
« Reply #61 on: August 06, 2012, 10:12:07 pm »
Flip Only When Vehicle Upside Down Is A Great Idea

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Re: Disscusion about new /F
« Reply #62 on: August 06, 2012, 10:37:37 pm »
I think the new idea is better. Well before i was thinking its shitty but the only stupid thing is that ppl can abuse old /f all the time, everytime they fail etc.
So i think you should keep the new one.It will be harder to beat records and more challenged.

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Re: Disscusion about new /F
« Reply #63 on: August 06, 2012, 10:40:16 pm »

Flip Only When Vehicle Upside Down Is A Great Idea
gotta agree, thats best option
flipping allowed when car is angled more than 90 degree

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Re: Disscusion about new /F
« Reply #64 on: August 06, 2012, 11:04:10 pm »

Flip Only When Vehicle Upside Down Is A Great Idea
gotta agree, thats best option
flipping allowed when car is angled more than 90 degree

Yea that would be good

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Re: Disscusion about new /F
« Reply #65 on: August 07, 2012, 12:16:43 am »
Or why don't we just make /f flip car without losing speed and that's it?
then people can make perfect landings

Oh true, forgot that :/

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Re: Disscusion about new /F
« Reply #66 on: August 07, 2012, 08:15:20 am »
I think new /f is much better and I agree with Madmax

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« Reply #67 on: August 07, 2012, 11:11:27 am »

Flip Only When Vehicle Upside Down Is A Great Idea
gotta agree, thats best option
flipping allowed when car is angled more than 90 degree


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Re: Disscusion about new /F
« Reply #68 on: August 07, 2012, 11:13:14 am »
Also somehow stop jump out of car and tab, this is irrelevant otherwise lol

Maybe can't jump out of vehicle until it is upside down? Don't know how this system works for bikes though

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Re: Disscusion about new /F
« Reply #69 on: August 07, 2012, 11:20:23 am »
grr can you stop posting exploits here before we can fix them lol?
fix will be made asap.

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Re: Disscusion about new /F
« Reply #70 on: August 07, 2012, 11:22:13 am »
Everybody is already doing it lol including me, I said about this weeks ago xD

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Re: Disscusion about new /F
« Reply #71 on: August 16, 2012, 10:53:54 am »
made flip only work when your car is upside down, and tab wont reset vehicle rotation if its flipped either.

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Re: Disscusion about new /F
« Reply #72 on: August 16, 2012, 11:00:30 am »
Nice one :DDD

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Re: Disscusion about new /F
« Reply #73 on: August 19, 2012, 02:47:22 pm »
Jump out of vehicle and tab abuse still exists, did it easily at full speed.
Can't we just lock people inside their vehicles until race is over? Don't see a reason why anybody would need to leave theirs vehicles anyway lol ha

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Re: Disscusion about new /F
« Reply #74 on: August 19, 2012, 02:51:09 pm »
If you fall off a cliff and running back is way shorter than driving around..

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Re: Disscusion about new /F
« Reply #75 on: August 19, 2012, 02:54:05 pm »
Don't fall off cliffs then ha.. that's what brakes are for lol..

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Re: Disscusion about new /F
« Reply #76 on: August 19, 2012, 03:11:57 pm »
will do that, didn't do originally because there's some exceptions, but i think i figured it, more than 50kmh = locked in.

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« Reply #77 on: August 19, 2012, 03:18:27 pm »
Ah. I thought you could only jump out of car when on a certain angle, like sliding on two wheels etc but your speed limit theory seems more accurate

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Re: Disscusion about new /F
« Reply #78 on: August 19, 2012, 03:19:58 pm »
nah you still can, just when getting it back it will not be rotated

no rotation = no very old flip abuse
no speed = no old brake abuse

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Re: Disscusion about new /F
« Reply #79 on: August 19, 2012, 05:21:00 pm »
Karlis,new f is more better than old one.Upside down car , then you can use /f so +1 for me ;)

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Re: Disscusion about new /F
« Reply #80 on: August 22, 2012, 12:05:44 am »
still at high speed and on your roof you can't /f .... while I am definitely on my roof.. lol

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Re: Disscusion about new /F
« Reply #81 on: August 22, 2012, 01:39:17 am »
It's supposed to be like that, otherwise it's still abusable

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Re: Disscusion about new /F
« Reply #82 on: August 22, 2012, 10:06:04 am »
What is abusable about it when I am on my roof?

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Re: Disscusion about new /F
« Reply #83 on: August 22, 2012, 10:57:04 am »
i don't find correct that flip isnt allowd when im flipped and going at 90mph

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Re: Disscusion about new /F
« Reply #84 on: August 22, 2012, 11:12:11 am »
What is abusable about it when I am on my roof?

turn around and then /flip to stop.

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« Reply #85 on: August 22, 2012, 11:30:59 am »
people should stop making retarded races then where you can abuse /f jesus/... fucking retards

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Re: Disscusion about new /F
« Reply #86 on: August 22, 2012, 01:17:35 pm »
What is abusable about it when I am on my roof?

turn around and then /flip to stop.

^ exactly, if you turn (on purpose) your car in the air you could flip it

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Re: Disscusion about new /F
« Reply #87 on: August 27, 2012, 02:03:46 am »
This is why the new /f sucks, you keep sliding forever.. (this is just the last part of my slide.. I came from the other side of that camp there.. sliding forever cause /f refuses to work.)

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Re: Disscusion about new /F
« Reply #88 on: August 27, 2012, 03:32:23 am »
ye once happened to me too, maybe exclude trucks IDs ?

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Re: Disscusion about new /F
« Reply #89 on: August 27, 2012, 09:55:04 am »
pff guys i told it to you 5 times that will happen, you still told that detection is useless with that wide detection angle...
changing it to 80-280 degrees.

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Re: Disscusion about new /F
« Reply #90 on: August 30, 2012, 09:25:00 am »
And what is /sos abuse all about, i got rammed off a cliff /sos and it froze me for 6 seconds. bring the old stuff back!

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Re: Disscusion about new /F
« Reply #91 on: August 31, 2012, 02:56:35 pm »

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Re: Disscusion about new /F
« Reply #92 on: August 31, 2012, 05:32:41 pm »
New /flip is perfect and people who don't like should stop driving so recklessly

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« Reply #93 on: August 31, 2012, 05:37:40 pm »
What about others that drive reckless

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« Reply #94 on: August 31, 2012, 05:52:30 pm »
New /flip is perfect and people who don't like should stop driving so recklessly

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Re: Disscusion about new /F
« Reply #95 on: September 06, 2012, 01:58:51 pm »
i don't mind this new /f, but the thing you can't even exit the car in high speed totally sucks lol, i always end up in the water :(

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Re: Disscusion about new /F
« Reply #96 on: September 06, 2012, 02:18:28 pm »
It even ruins one of my races where you have to jump out on highspeed :(

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Re: Disscusion about new /F
« Reply #97 on: September 06, 2012, 03:12:02 pm »
jumping out want my idea, imo would be better just delay tab or /nc instead

or best idea, make flip working at any speed, but just not stopping vehicle
to avoid perfect jumps abuse, make flip flipping car directly 180 degree, so when you upside down, it flips on wheel, when on wheels, flips to roof

I mean no matter how your car is rotated, flip always turn extacly 180 degree
if in jump you are angled a bit, flip wont set you car to perfect flat, but just turn 180 degree, making it useless to abuse perfect jump land
also in case of high speed crashes, when you start roll over, /flip cant be abuse to instant stop, it just rolls your car once again


hope this would avoid abuse and stop ppl moaning too
if this fails still, i gonna keep on thinking... any suggestions?
« Last Edit: September 06, 2012, 03:16:32 pm by MadMax »

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« Reply #98 on: September 06, 2012, 03:17:25 pm »
Quick question.

What cars in that picture represent cars from gta?

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Re: Disscusion about new /F
« Reply #99 on: September 06, 2012, 03:20:55 pm »
Infailnus and Failcent (Infernus and Vincent with my fail, not best ms paint skills...)

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« Reply #100 on: September 06, 2012, 03:24:42 pm »
Ah I thought as much, guessed second was Vincent but wasn't sure on first one

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Re: Disscusion about new /F
« Reply #101 on: September 06, 2012, 03:29:33 pm »
this new /f thing has just brought lots of troubles, we had the old /f for like 2-3 years? and there were no problems with it before, so why now...

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Re: Disscusion about new /F
« Reply #102 on: September 06, 2012, 09:04:50 pm »
to avoid perfect jumps abuse, make flip flipping car directly 180 degree, so when you upside down, it flips on wheel, when on wheels, flips to roof

I mean no matter how your car is rotated, flip always turn extacly 180 degree
if in jump you are angled a bit, flip wont set you car to perfect flat, but just turn 180 degree, making it useless to abuse perfect jump land
also in case of high speed crashes, when you start roll over, /flip cant be abuse to instant stop, it just rolls your car once again

That isn't possible in samp :(

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Re: Disscusion about new /F
« Reply #103 on: September 06, 2012, 10:02:31 pm »
Too bad, then needs more work...

1.How to avoid instant brake
-do not stop after /flip (works fine, but can be abused in perfect landing)
-make a random seconds delay (needs to check how long car can survive before exploding)

2.How to avoid perfect landing
-stop after /flip (abused as instant brake)
-detect when car is in air (?? not sure if can be done)

any ideas welcome:

bring back old flip, that stops you, but give few random seconds delay between stopping, like this:
1.player flips and types /f
2.player gets info that car will be flipped in X seconds, meanwhile his car gets repaired, but not flipped/stopped yet
3.after X seconds, car flips/stops

cant be predicted as instant brake, coz X seconds can be variing from lets say 3 to 5 or so, cant be abused in perfect landing, and no need speedlimit
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Re: Disscusion about new /F
« Reply #104 on: September 06, 2012, 10:10:55 pm »
Remove /f completely.

I'm ready for the hate

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Re: Disscusion about new /F
« Reply #105 on: September 09, 2012, 07:56:20 pm »
New /flip:
  • Uses angular velocity to flip
  • No speed limit
  • Must actually be flipped
  • Randomly chooses to flip to the left or right
  • Reduces speed by a lot but does not stop
  • Is not completely reliable (somewhat by design)

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Re: Disscusion about new /F
« Reply #106 on: September 09, 2012, 08:05:01 pm »
Nice one :)

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Re: Disscusion about new /F
« Reply #107 on: September 28, 2012, 01:36:35 am »
Why you not simple disable /F instead of making things worse and worse.
I can understand that you trying cut of shit where kids abuse /F but cmon does this really help to server.
I have spend like 30 minutes to figure out when and where is good moment to use /flip command and to be honest i am still far to understand how things going.
Often i see '[ERROR] You must wait 2 seconds to flip again, repairing instead' that remind me on /SOS,command both actually do nothing to help you repair/fix car or even make things worse than without it.So am quiet surprised what would happen if we have no those commands on list....

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Re: Disscusion about new /F
« Reply #108 on: September 28, 2012, 06:19:36 am »
You will rage when laying upside down at cp 65/78..

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Re: Disscusion about new /F
« Reply #109 on: September 28, 2012, 10:17:14 am »
Why you not simple disable /F instead of making things worse and worse.

^ also people are forgetting about /nc. race wouldn't be over if /f was disabled.
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Re: Disscusion about new /F
« Reply #110 on: September 28, 2012, 01:55:43 pm »
kind of ye, lost old car, why not take new one? maybe ppl would take more attention to their driving?

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Re: Disscusion about new /F
« Reply #111 on: September 28, 2012, 02:28:15 pm »
^

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Re: Disscusion about new /F
« Reply #112 on: October 25, 2012, 12:15:41 am »
You can wait all night but car won't flip


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Re: Disscusion about new /F
« Reply #113 on: October 25, 2012, 12:55:18 am »
lets just revert to old /f, every new version you are going to make will be flawed and abusable



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Re: Disscusion about new /F
« Reply #114 on: October 25, 2012, 02:25:15 am »
You can wait all night but car won't flip



Very rare bug, congrats for finding it. Should be fixed now.

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Re: Disscusion about new /F
« Reply #115 on: October 25, 2012, 06:18:33 am »
lol 'rare' bug, the bug was there for everyone all day yesterday :L

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Re: Disscusion about new /F
« Reply #116 on: October 25, 2012, 09:25:26 am »
lol 'rare' bug, the bug was there for everyone all day yesterday :L

No one told me that :(

Should still be fixed though

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Re: Disscusion about new /F
« Reply #117 on: October 25, 2012, 12:37:05 pm »
actual flip is shit
my car was upside down and still rolling so i used /flip but it didnt stop my car so i typed /flip again and i got message that i can use /flip later, wtf?!
i had to exit car and click tab!
Previous /flip was better!!

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Re: Disscusion about new /F
« Reply #118 on: October 26, 2012, 09:17:19 pm »
So if we want to stop people from using it just as an instant brake, maybe what we could do is:
- old /F possible only at low speeds, and also only possible when you're actually not flipped (like now with the new /F).
And on high speeds, keep the new /F. There should be a possibility to make it switch from old /F to new /F according to the speed, right?

Because the new /F is not very useful, no offence to the scripters, you're doing a great job.

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Re: Disscusion about new /F
« Reply #119 on: October 26, 2012, 09:30:50 pm »
how its not useful? it flips you most of times, and if you steer a little to help it (YES, steering does make center of car mass go sideways) it will always work.