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Excluding noobs from One World?
« on: September 18, 2011, 06:32:43 pm »
dunno, just suggestion, maybe bad idea, anyway:

how about exclude all noobs (under 1000 score) from one world?
make special noob world for them, so they can crash as much as they want :L
wouldn't be one world tho  ???

PLEASE, IGNORE ALL MY SPELLING MISTAKES AND OTHER TYPOS True racing fans enjoy horsepower in ANY form

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Re: Excluding noobs from One World?
« Reply #1 on: September 18, 2011, 06:39:02 pm »
+10000

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Re: Excluding noobs from One World?
« Reply #2 on: September 18, 2011, 06:39:10 pm »
make a special world for the people who signed up

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Re: Excluding noobs from One World?
« Reply #3 on: September 18, 2011, 06:40:24 pm »
this isn't about nascar mourad :L

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Re: Excluding noobs from One World?
« Reply #4 on: September 18, 2011, 06:43:10 pm »
How about a new mode; two world?

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Re: Excluding noobs from One World?
« Reply #5 on: September 18, 2011, 06:54:01 pm »
maybe make unregistered players spawn in the back

Offline [MAF]Cromiell

Re: Excluding noobs from One World?
« Reply #6 on: September 18, 2011, 07:01:37 pm »
I know it's not too good idea but since quality of racing is becoming worse and worse I vote YES for creating separated worlds for poeple under 1k score.

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Re: Excluding noobs from One World?
« Reply #7 on: September 18, 2011, 07:06:00 pm »
how about : shut the fuck up and respect noobs cause they are not strangers but just usual players ??? (except hackers) ??

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Re: Excluding noobs from One World?
« Reply #8 on: September 18, 2011, 07:08:19 pm »
Noobs and newbie isn't same. Also such a system should work out as a motivation of gaining score and being in better and better groups.

Fake accounts problem should be solved this way.  :L

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Re: Excluding noobs from One World?
« Reply #9 on: September 18, 2011, 11:51:01 pm »
Am not lately on server but i have noticed a lot new players around who simple doesn't give damn about fair racing at all.
Often i see people going on purpose to use opponent car as trigger in corners without slow down or use god damn brake,which is painful for person who trying play by rules.
Racing server with 50 players is huge project for samp,so i am suggesting to cut number of players on 30 or 35 or give us 2 racing worlds where we will get proper treatment and for sure make fair race.
Probably am not single regular who lost interest for racing due idiots who ram and block without mercy and i need spend around 30-45 minutes to jump into A world where are regulars but often there is one or two idiots who fuck up all in first corner cause they are not skilled to hold straight line or take proper corner.
There is a lot ideas what i have on mind but this one is major
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Re: Excluding noobs from One World?
« Reply #10 on: September 18, 2011, 11:53:34 pm »
i am suggesting to cut number of players on 30 or 35

I like that idea.

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Re: Excluding noobs from One World?
« Reply #11 on: September 19, 2011, 12:04:42 am »
it just doesn't feel like a good thing to do, I think.. excluding people from certain things.. would you like to get looked at as 2nd rank citizen?

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Re: Excluding noobs from One World?
« Reply #12 on: September 19, 2011, 12:07:28 am »
SA:MP is more popular than ever so number of slots rise with every new version.Not that long ago or let me be more specific on 0.1b number of slots was 16 and we(racers)was fine with that.Person who really want join on server can wait till somebody leave if server is full,so that will stop impatient noobs who only coming to cause mess instead of people who want play real race with other 30 racers.
Also there is huge problem what scripters(SA:MP) didn't fixed till today(dirty code) and hosts pc's can't handle all that connections on racing servers which cause catch up lag on start every race in one world racing.Its really painful when you trying avoid opponent cars and gain as much as possible better position and suddenly you stop cause you was hit by car who is in front of you...

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Re: Excluding noobs from One World?
« Reply #13 on: September 19, 2011, 12:24:30 am »
jalicno is right IMO, i couldn't agree more. people can wait for a slot if they really want to play. it's always going to be on the hosted tab so players won't be lost

+1 for low player slots

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Re: Excluding noobs from One World?
« Reply #14 on: September 19, 2011, 12:32:38 am »
I rather go for worlds with a maximum of 30 players in that case.

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Re: Excluding noobs from One World?
« Reply #15 on: September 19, 2011, 12:40:55 am »
then code it, it will be a lot easier to have slots lowered since mooman doesnt have time to code things anymore

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Re: Excluding noobs from One World?
« Reply #16 on: September 19, 2011, 04:15:15 am »
Keep it as it is, otherwise people will join with fake acounts with under 1000 points to race in empty worlds.

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Re: Excluding noobs from One World?
« Reply #18 on: September 19, 2011, 10:35:21 am »
i don't think i'm a good opinionated person but here it goes
-people who are new in server put them in the second world, in the second world they learn how to avoid rams and etc..
-putting the regular players is an +1 especially to people who don't like ramming
-for me a high pinger, i'll just try to avoid rams as much as possible
 :-X ill keep quiet now

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Re: Excluding noobs from One World?
« Reply #19 on: September 19, 2011, 12:19:51 pm »
Sepperated world for noobs only if server has high ammount of players maybe..

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Re: Excluding noobs from One World?
« Reply #20 on: September 19, 2011, 12:45:40 pm »
that won't stop the server lag and high pings, the server can't seem to handle so many players, at least with less players you get:

less cheaters
less rule breakers
less spammers
less work for admins
and ofc less lag and oneworld grids wouldn't have problems

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Re: Excluding noobs from One World?
« Reply #21 on: September 19, 2011, 12:55:30 pm »
that won't stop the server lag and high pings, the server can't seem to handle so many players, at least with less players you get:

less cheaters
less rule breakers
less spammers
less work for admins
and ofc less lag and oneworld grids wouldn't have problems

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Re: Excluding noobs from One World?
« Reply #22 on: September 19, 2011, 02:12:55 pm »
lower the players slots its good idea imo

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Re: Excluding noobs from One World?
« Reply #23 on: September 19, 2011, 02:53:30 pm »
also you can't have split words during SK races and those get a bit too much with 50-60 players trying to fit in a circle...


i think lowering slots is needed tbh and it'll save money...

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Re: Excluding noobs from One World?
« Reply #24 on: September 19, 2011, 02:54:35 pm »
I agree.

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Re: Excluding noobs from One World?
« Reply #25 on: September 19, 2011, 03:32:16 pm »
okay, we always open a 2nd server with both 32 players? :L

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Re: Excluding noobs from One World?
« Reply #26 on: September 19, 2011, 03:39:27 pm »
Ye sounds like good idea to split slots on 2 server and 2nd we can give noobs where of course they cant set records what comes on highscore list,so no abuse and shits,but also we must deal about admins who must stay there to protect server.

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Re: Excluding noobs from One World?
« Reply #27 on: September 19, 2011, 03:42:02 pm »
that means two servers would be need to be paid for :L

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Re: Excluding noobs from One World?
« Reply #28 on: September 19, 2011, 03:43:34 pm »
Hmm,wait what is difference having server with 60+ slots instead of 2 with 30slots means in cash?
Of course same IP just different port,same as RSD got ages

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Re: Excluding noobs from One World?
« Reply #29 on: September 19, 2011, 03:44:40 pm »
true but it seems stupid splitting everybody up on two different servers :L

we all want to race together don't we? i don't want to race with a server full of noobs when i want to race phobos but i won't be able to because he'd be on the other server then it's an effort to keep checking when to switch over

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Re: Excluding noobs from One World?
« Reply #30 on: September 19, 2011, 03:44:53 pm »
this isn't about nascar mourad :L
my bad lol

Keep it as it is, otherwise people will join with fake acounts with under 1000 points to race in empty worlds.
true but why would they want points on another account?
« Last Edit: September 19, 2011, 03:46:24 pm by [MAF]Poreotix »

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Re: Excluding noobs from One World?
« Reply #31 on: September 19, 2011, 03:48:06 pm »
Ye faking accounts or making new doesn't make sense in this case.

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Re: Excluding noobs from One World?
« Reply #32 on: September 19, 2011, 03:49:04 pm »
First I would have said try to edit slowly the one world races with a maximum player number per world (as it's possible in /buildmode, it might be edit'able, right?) but yeah I guess less slots is the best idea, since with more players pings start to be annoying... Although don't you think about 48 is better? With 48 players, there's always a few who aren't in /race anyway, pings are still correct usually, and that may not even need a 2nd server.

Oh and I also thought about sth that might be a bad idea... maybe make a lobby when we join, that give us the choice to go /race, /stunt, /tv, /dm etc, instead of directly in /race so a bit less players will be directly messing up in /race. But it might be a bad idea since the main purpose of the server is racing.
« Last Edit: September 19, 2011, 03:50:39 pm by OuzoMeze »

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Re: Excluding noobs from One World?
« Reply #33 on: September 19, 2011, 03:58:09 pm »
48 is still high number,one world track or even SK can't handle good hmmm maximum 40 and that is still high.Cause we own tracks since 2008 who were created for 20+.Thanks to Madmax and others who edited grids on them we didn't fail.But still its huge mess when you 40 players who fight for better position on maxed start marker,and when we are forced to fling them out...

My idea about 2nd server was based on,noobs and impatient people would play on 2nd one.And on main one we will fight for records,points and glory.
Of course less skilled members and pure noobs can you that 2nd server to gain skill,then when they come on main we will spend less time to teach them what they are supposed to do and what not.

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Re: Excluding noobs from One World?
« Reply #34 on: September 19, 2011, 04:02:01 pm »
it's all good splitting the server in half and having 30 and 30 or whatever but you can't split it on the hosted tab which is actually more expensive and then having two servers on the hosted tab

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« Reply #35 on: September 19, 2011, 04:03:11 pm »
You maybe can set a password on the normal server and then get a 2nd server for the noobs and when they are good they can be in the normal server or smth like that

As jali said i think its a good idea, we really need to change its getting worse and worse

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Re: Excluding noobs from One World?
« Reply #36 on: September 19, 2011, 04:04:52 pm »
it's so much easier just to ask the host to give us lower player slots instead of setting up another server and copying thousands and thousands of files and races over to it lol and then spending more money to get it on the hosted tab

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Re: Excluding noobs from One World?
« Reply #37 on: September 19, 2011, 04:08:48 pm »
True, what u said there snoop its simpler for lower slots but when  its busy not even all 'pro' players can come in then :-\

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Re: Excluding noobs from One World?
« Reply #38 on: September 19, 2011, 04:11:15 pm »
but when  its busy not even all 'pro' players can come in then :-\

too bad init, just gotta wait for a space and afkers for long periods of time can just be kicked for not giving up a slot

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Re: Excluding noobs from One World?
« Reply #39 on: September 19, 2011, 04:12:59 pm »
Who is afk more than 5 minutes-perm kick  ;)

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« Reply #40 on: September 19, 2011, 04:13:31 pm »
Haha then anyone coudnn't go even pee :L

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Re: Excluding noobs from One World?
« Reply #41 on: September 19, 2011, 04:15:37 pm »
Eh 5 minutes is enough,there is no elephants who pee like 50 liter  :L
Also cant see point being AFK more than 5 minutes,if you are for sure you not planing to race at all.

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Re: Excluding noobs from One World?
« Reply #42 on: September 19, 2011, 04:18:06 pm »
Yeh there are guys that being afk for whole day, but i go afk too when i go dinner tough :P

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Re: Excluding noobs from One World?
« Reply #43 on: September 19, 2011, 05:31:02 pm »
server just can't handle it




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« Reply #44 on: September 19, 2011, 05:32:40 pm »
Yep pings going too wild and lags are crazy too much players... this is good for server that we have much players but the server can't handle it this must getting stopped some way...

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Re: Excluding noobs from One World?
« Reply #45 on: September 19, 2011, 05:38:26 pm »
Or we could harass KingJ to give us a server with better hardware lol.

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Re: Excluding noobs from One World?
« Reply #46 on: September 19, 2011, 05:40:35 pm »
we could try limit to 45

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Re: Excluding noobs from One World?
« Reply #47 on: September 19, 2011, 07:01:24 pm »
Limit on 45 wont help at all,i have saw many times when on server is 30+ players and when there are just 3-4 playes with 300 ping,whole server goes crazy and show all other players ping over 100
Same as on picture what Andy posted above...

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Re: Excluding noobs from One World?
« Reply #48 on: September 19, 2011, 07:08:47 pm »
Or we could harass KingJ to give us a server with better hardware lol.
Heh probably you have no idea about prices of server machines,and KJ or somebody else who host server like our wont bother to buy or change hardware just cause your/our 10 bucks per month  ;)

Anyway this model is actual at this moment check price
http://www.nextag.com/HP-ML350T06-Server-Xeon-654401501/prices-html?nxtg=73480a50050b-7A53F9E48E6B6D31

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Re: Excluding noobs from One World?
« Reply #49 on: September 19, 2011, 07:13:45 pm »
holy shit

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Re: Excluding noobs from One World?
« Reply #50 on: September 19, 2011, 07:25:15 pm »
Or we could harass KingJ to give us a server with better hardware lol.
Heh probably you have no idea about prices of server machines,and KJ or somebody else who host server like our wont bother to buy or change hardware just cause your/our 10 bucks per month  ;)

Anyway this model is actual at this moment check price
http://www.nextag.com/HP-ML350T06-Server-Xeon-654401501/prices-html?nxtg=73480a50050b-7A53F9E48E6B6D31

Heh, those servers can be used to host 3 minecraft servers at once. It could run at least 20 SA-MP servers with 500 slots and 70 players.

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Re: Excluding noobs from One World?
« Reply #51 on: September 19, 2011, 07:33:12 pm »
Sure that is point of server machines,but sadly most hosts still use P4 architecture since 2004 or older that is why we have problems now days,but still main problem is SA:MP and not optimized-dirty code.
Any game based on lines of code can be played-hosted on 10 years old servers if code is clean.

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Re: Excluding noobs from One World?
« Reply #52 on: September 19, 2011, 10:01:59 pm »
Why does this only happen to our server btw? Or does it happen for every SA-MP server?

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Re: Excluding noobs from One World?
« Reply #53 on: September 19, 2011, 10:49:52 pm »
I think it has something to do with dirty code, as jalicno said, it could possibly be that the sync rates are too high, and lowering them might fix it. Or it could be that there's too many resources being used by the script.

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Re: Excluding noobs from One World?
« Reply #54 on: September 20, 2011, 05:14:50 am »
i don't like the idea of excluding noobs as all that would do is turn away any good player and make the noob section even noobier. no one has the patience to only ever race with noobs during one world. except maybe noobs. so you'd have noobs getting 1k and progressing to "pro world" and good racers quitting and never coming back.

i don't know whether we're ready to split up into 2 servers but we could always only put the less busy server on the hosted tab so player levels would equalise and it wouldn't cost too much. and we should wait for sa-mp 0.3d before making a decision, the lag may be fixed then.
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Re: Excluding noobs from One World?
« Reply #55 on: September 20, 2011, 06:40:27 am »
maybe excluding unregistered players only?

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Re: Excluding noobs from One World?
« Reply #56 on: September 20, 2011, 07:32:39 am »
what happens if all the slots are full and one of you guys tries to join the server?

lowering the slot number is a bad idea imo.

2 separate score divided worlds in 1 world races seems very reasonable.

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Re: Excluding noobs from One World?
« Reply #57 on: September 20, 2011, 11:02:54 am »
You'll have to wait for someone to leave in that case Ganja.

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Re: Excluding noobs from One World?
« Reply #58 on: September 21, 2011, 11:31:53 pm »
Lowering player slots seems a good idea. The only concern I have is a scenario like this:

If there was, for example, a maximum of 30 players allowed on the server at one time, and there were 30 non-admins online, what'd happen if one was a cheater? No admins online to ban them, no admins would be able to join since the server would be full...

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Re: Excluding noobs from One World?
« Reply #59 on: September 21, 2011, 11:37:16 pm »
There is irc-java to fix problems with cheaters  ;)
Anyway am still about idea to set limit on 35,last two days i have checked when there are 40 or more players all pings goes crazy and lowest is around 100 or if there are 60 players like today lowest is 185  :o

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Re: Excluding noobs from One World?
« Reply #60 on: September 22, 2011, 01:04:29 am »
2 servers  ?? we allready have a lack of active admins ...

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Re: Excluding noobs from One World?
« Reply #61 on: September 22, 2011, 08:41:03 am »
2 servers  ?? we allready have a lack of active admins ...

2nd server could only be online during events. We could have someone with a VPS or a Dedi host the server weekend to weekend, would be awesome.

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Re: Excluding noobs from One World?
« Reply #62 on: September 22, 2011, 09:52:05 am »
I'm still waiting for mooman to offer me a contract so I can earn my money with being admin :L

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Re: Excluding noobs from One World?
« Reply #63 on: June 23, 2014, 03:39:14 pm »
Still like this idea.