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How many runs?

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Tourney 3 - 1 or 2 runs
« on: June 12, 2011, 07:24:17 am »
How many runs should each player be able to have on the track?
« Last Edit: September 20, 2011, 05:25:00 am by [MAF]mooman »

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Re: 3rd Tourney - 1 or 2 runs
« Reply #1 on: June 12, 2011, 08:17:31 am »
1 run is kinda gay, it's super easy to become unlucky. If the votes stay as they are now, it will be F1 style with one run again, like the 2nd (and my least-favourite) tourney.

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Re: 3rd Tourney - 1 or 2 runs
« Reply #2 on: June 12, 2011, 08:43:16 am »
Yep thats true Joe, and if it gonna be F1 Style i think it must be 2 runs anyway  i voted for 2 runs ;)

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Re: 3rd Tourney - 1 or 2 runs
« Reply #3 on: June 12, 2011, 09:31:47 am »
1 run
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Re: 3rd Tourney - 1 or 2 runs
« Reply #5 on: June 12, 2011, 10:47:14 am »
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Re: 3rd Tourney - 1 or 2 runs
« Reply #6 on: June 12, 2011, 11:07:24 am »
1 run, luck is a factor anyway, you have to deal with it.


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Re: 3rd Tourney - 1 or 2 runs
« Reply #8 on: June 12, 2011, 11:34:01 am »
1 run, luck is a factor anyway, you have to deal with it.

Plus, in motorsports you usually have one run, the previous runs are tests in which time doesn't count for your points, and the one for starting position.

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Re: 3rd Tourney - 1 or 2 runs
« Reply #9 on: June 12, 2011, 11:39:12 am »
In that case, maybe one practise run that doesn't count? Just 1 run was gay, one of the reasons Tourney 2 failed.

But then again, most of the people voting for 1 run weren't here for the 1st tourney. 1 run will probably win the vote because of the fact that most people never tried the old one :/
« Last Edit: June 12, 2011, 11:44:06 am by [aXs]Joeee »

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Re: 3rd Tourney - 1 or 2 runs
« Reply #10 on: June 12, 2011, 12:06:03 pm »
2 runs : or 1 if u make

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Re: 3rd Tourney - 1 or 2 runs
« Reply #11 on: June 12, 2011, 01:37:13 pm »
JOE you forget the problem the 2run tourney had.. people wen't practising... They do 1 run, record it or just remember it.. then practise that whole day long and do the 2nd run.. what happens? People who practise the most are most likely to get the most points/proceed to the next round.. And then, it's all about who put the most effort in the race to win.

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Re: 3rd Tourney - 1 or 2 runs
« Reply #12 on: June 12, 2011, 02:00:27 pm »
I'd say one run.

But the idea with one no scored test run is good I think.

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Re: 3rd Tourney - 1 or 2 runs
« Reply #13 on: June 12, 2011, 03:52:05 pm »
The only way 2 runs would work is if the runs are done immefiately after eachother. Even then you cant really stop people practicing unless an admin spectates.

Plus you'd think people that play here would know the sa-mp map well enough to spot any 'bumps' in the first place...

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Re: 3rd Tourney - 1 or 2 runs
« Reply #14 on: June 12, 2011, 04:29:49 pm »
luck is a factor anyway, you have to deal with it.

says the one who uploads videos of bumps to youtube :L

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Re: 3rd Tourney - 1 or 2 runs
« Reply #15 on: June 12, 2011, 06:00:46 pm »
JOE you forget the problem the 2run tourney had.. people wen't practising... They do 1 run, record it or just remember it.. then practise that whole day long and do the 2nd run.. what happens? People who practise the most are most likely to get the most points/proceed to the next round.. And then, it's all about who put the most effort in the race to win.

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1 run ftw

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Re: 3rd Tourney - 1 or 2 runs
« Reply #16 on: June 12, 2011, 06:57:23 pm »
If multiple runs is used, the runs will be back to back without a chance for practice.

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Re: 3rd Tourney - 1 or 2 runs
« Reply #17 on: June 12, 2011, 06:58:30 pm »
another good reason why two runs should be used is server crashes or timeouts. it's not nice losing your only turn and not being allowed a second chance

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Re: 3rd Tourney - 1 or 2 runs
« Reply #18 on: June 12, 2011, 06:58:53 pm »
If multiple runs is used, the runs will be back to back without a chance for practice.

The problem is, people may record first run and stop before the finish... then alt-tab and watch video

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Re: 3rd Tourney - 1 or 2 runs
« Reply #19 on: June 12, 2011, 06:59:36 pm »
if we can't trust people then what do we do?

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Re: 3rd Tourney - 1 or 2 runs
« Reply #20 on: June 12, 2011, 07:00:45 pm »
heck u can unplug your ethernet cable and do the track over and over after you have been kicked.

many many ways to exploit it, it comes to trust.

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Re: 3rd Tourney - 1 or 2 runs
« Reply #21 on: June 12, 2011, 07:01:06 pm »

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Re: 3rd Tourney - 1 or 2 runs
« Reply #22 on: June 12, 2011, 07:03:32 pm »
The problem is, people may record first run and stop before the finish... then alt-tab and watch video

The next run will follow right after you finish the first, there won't be time to watch a video because your 2nd run will start without you.

heck u can unplug your ethernet cable and do the track over and over after you have been kicked.

many many ways to exploit it, it comes to trust.

If you disconnect (or change mode) during a run (1st or 2nd) you won't get another run.

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Re: 3rd Tourney - 1 or 2 runs
« Reply #23 on: June 12, 2011, 07:07:27 pm »
yeah like that nermal and phil_ivey crap, there was definitely something going on there

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Re: 3rd Tourney - 1 or 2 runs
« Reply #24 on: June 12, 2011, 07:14:37 pm »
another good reason why two runs should be used is server crashes or timeouts. it's not nice losing your only turn and not being allowed a second chance

that doesent matter if there are two, cus if you get a timeout, then you wont be able to do your real run right?

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Re: 3rd Tourney - 1 or 2 runs
« Reply #25 on: June 12, 2011, 07:18:12 pm »
well when we first had two runs before you were around we still had a chance to have second turn but if we are only going to have one turn and the server crashes or we get a timeout then we get no chances at all
because it's not hard to time yourself out and blame the server

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Re: 3rd Tourney - 1 or 2 runs
« Reply #26 on: June 12, 2011, 07:21:18 pm »
If you disconnect (or change mode) during a run (1st or 2nd) you won't get another run.


i meant this, if you get a real timeout your internet cuts or even server crashes (during your 1st run) then even if there are 2 runs, you will not be able to do your real run whether its 1 or 2 tries


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Re: 3rd Tourney - 1 or 2 runs
« Reply #27 on: June 12, 2011, 07:24:35 pm »
The next run will follow right after you finish the first, there won't be time to watch a video because your 2nd run will start without you.

Yea well, as I said peole may STOP before the finish.



1 run

bad sides: if you timeout or server crashes, you're fucked.


2 runs

bad sides: if you timeout or server crashes, you're fucked ( during 1st run )
also you can just stop before finish and drive around or either record the race and alt tab and keep watching what to improve.... (during 1st run)
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Re: 3rd Tourney - 1 or 2 runs
« Reply #28 on: June 12, 2011, 07:31:18 pm »
can't you just trust people? there's too much paranoia...

if two tries both times should count like before

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Re: 3rd Tourney - 1 or 2 runs
« Reply #29 on: June 12, 2011, 07:33:05 pm »
I just dont see the points in 2 runs, even if you crash during 1st run you wont be able to try again... so there's no reason to have 2 runs lol?


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Re: 3rd Tourney - 1 or 2 runs
« Reply #30 on: June 12, 2011, 07:35:41 pm »
the first tourney we had two tries and both turns were important you were not around then?

you had two tries to improve your times

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Re: 3rd Tourney - 1 or 2 runs
« Reply #31 on: June 12, 2011, 07:36:40 pm »
he knows that 1st tourney had 2 tries since he was participating in it
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Re: 3rd Tourney - 1 or 2 runs
« Reply #32 on: June 12, 2011, 07:37:34 pm »
i wasn't talking to you was i?

and i was saying about both times being important i never said he didn't know we had two tries

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Re: 3rd Tourney - 1 or 2 runs
« Reply #33 on: June 12, 2011, 07:56:34 pm »
but something i do have a problem with is, brothers being in the tourney.. we all noticed how nermal & phil were suspected of watching each other's turns and phil never denied it, just ignored it being mentioned all the time.

so there should be a rule about two brothers being in it

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Re: 3rd Tourney - 1 or 2 runs
« Reply #34 on: June 12, 2011, 07:58:09 pm »
lol why wud i watch my brother play? its already ez to win for me

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Re: 3rd Tourney - 1 or 2 runs
« Reply #35 on: June 12, 2011, 07:58:53 pm »
just tell very to add rule '1 person per ip'  :-X

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Re: 3rd Tourney - 1 or 2 runs
« Reply #36 on: June 12, 2011, 07:59:12 pm »
lol why wud i watch my brother play? its already ez to win for me

wow you arrogant prick

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Re: 3rd Tourney - 1 or 2 runs
« Reply #37 on: June 12, 2011, 08:00:59 pm »
I've never known someone so big headed as you phil lol. And if you're gonna win easy, what's the point in joining in the tournament if there is no competition for you?
HELLO THERE

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Re: 3rd Tourney - 1 or 2 runs
« Reply #38 on: June 12, 2011, 08:02:05 pm »
i don't think any community likes that kind of arrogance, we knew it anyway but you just showed it completely

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Re: 3rd Tourney - 1 or 2 runs
« Reply #39 on: June 12, 2011, 08:04:54 pm »
Estonians are all like that, including me

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Re: 3rd Tourney - 1 or 2 runs
« Reply #40 on: June 12, 2011, 08:06:36 pm »
well yeah we knew it from you as well but still it's not very nice...

i'd rather not have phil in the tourney now if that's what he thinks :)

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Re: 3rd Tourney - 1 or 2 runs
« Reply #41 on: June 12, 2011, 08:08:09 pm »
I wasnt serious when i said that lol, was in a trolling mood and knew id get a response, sorry.

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Re: 3rd Tourney - 1 or 2 runs
« Reply #42 on: June 12, 2011, 08:10:40 pm »
i see you still don't deny the whole you & nermal watching each other's runs scandal ::)

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Re: 3rd Tourney - 1 or 2 runs
« Reply #43 on: June 12, 2011, 08:14:39 pm »
I know that none believes me when i say that i didn't watch him do his runs so no point in arguing about it. He won't take part in 3rd tourney then if none trusts me.

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Re: 3rd Tourney - 1 or 2 runs
« Reply #44 on: June 12, 2011, 08:15:29 pm »
I believe you Phil. O0

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Re: 3rd Tourney - 1 or 2 runs
« Reply #45 on: June 12, 2011, 08:16:28 pm »
I know that none believes me when i say that i didn't watch him do his runs so no point in arguing about it. He won't take part in 3rd tourney then if none trusts me.

it's better to deny something than to ignore it. otherwise it makes people not be able to trust you and think you did do it to win

i also never said you did do it, i just thought it because you would always ignore it being mentioned
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Re: 3rd Tourney - 1 or 2 runs
« Reply #46 on: June 12, 2011, 08:18:03 pm »
I've got an idea, what if we combine both times and after that make up the positions? So we got a WRC + F1 system combined..

Example:
I do two runs, my first run ends in 1.30 minutes and the seconds in 1.20 minutes.
Person X makes two runs too, he gets 1.40 minutes in the first run and 1.15 in the second run.
Combined I get 2.50 minutes and person X gets 2.55 minutes. I finish first and person X finishes 2nd. I'd get 25 F1 points for that and person X gets 18 points.

GOOD IDEA?

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Re: 3rd Tourney - 1 or 2 runs
« Reply #47 on: June 12, 2011, 08:20:09 pm »
I've got an idea, what if we combine both times and after that make up the positions? So we got a WRC + F1 system combined..

Example:
I do two runs, my first run ends in 1.30 minutes and the seconds in 1.20 minutes.
Person X makes two runs too, he gets 1.40 minutes in the first run and 1.15 in the second run.
Combined I get 2.50 minutes and person X gets 2.55 minutes. I finish first and person X finishes 2nd. I'd get 25 F1 points for that and person X gets 18 points.

GOOD IDEA?

no...

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Re: 3rd Tourney - 1 or 2 runs
« Reply #48 on: June 12, 2011, 08:20:18 pm »
And if you don't set a time you get the average time of all racers as 2nd time?? Just thinking aloud.

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Re: 3rd Tourney - 1 or 2 runs
« Reply #49 on: June 12, 2011, 08:20:39 pm »

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Re: 3rd Tourney - 1 or 2 runs
« Reply #50 on: June 12, 2011, 08:21:40 pm »
i don't think arrogance and sarcasm can get any lower from those two

btw it's an okish idea i think

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Re: 3rd Tourney - 1 or 2 runs
« Reply #51 on: June 12, 2011, 08:22:48 pm »
i don't think arrogance and sarcasm can get any lower from those two

btw it's an okish idea i think

thx for arguments!

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Re: 3rd Tourney - 1 or 2 runs
« Reply #52 on: June 12, 2011, 08:23:23 pm »
good luck keeping that kind of attitude going with me :)

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Re: 3rd Tourney - 1 or 2 runs
« Reply #53 on: June 12, 2011, 08:26:27 pm »
good luck keeping that kind of attitude going with me :)

You're the one who called me arrogant for not liking an idea.

But sure I could explain why I don't like it if it makes you feel better...


First of all, if by any chance 2 runs would actually win the vote and we would be using Ush's idea the best racer wouldn't win, probably the one who drives slowest and avoid crashes...
Like me, ( and alot of others aswell ) try to drive as fast as possible the first run and probably crashes a few times will get a shit time combined with a decent time on your 2nd try when you take it easy...

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Re: 3rd Tourney - 1 or 2 runs
« Reply #54 on: June 12, 2011, 08:26:33 pm »
Well there is actually always a possibility that someone could be cheating. Player A does his run, records it with fraps and sends to player B and player B learns the track like that.

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Re: 3rd Tourney - 1 or 2 runs
« Reply #55 on: June 12, 2011, 08:28:11 pm »
good luck keeping that kind of attitude going with me :)

You're the one who called me arrogant for not liking an idea.

phil is the arrogant one and you were the sarcastic one because of your sarcastic comment towards ush. i would have thought you'd know the difference between arrogance and sarcasm.

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Re: 3rd Tourney - 1 or 2 runs
« Reply #56 on: June 12, 2011, 09:28:46 pm »
Ush I don't think that will work. Having 2 runs in the first tourney was so you had a joker to play, so that if you messed one up, you had the other spare.

The way I see it, this one will only work 2 ways:
- 1 run in an F1 style format - no need for a backup as you can make up for your mistake next race
- 2 runs in a knockout style - if you make a mistake you have 1 more chance. 2 mistakes you're out

everyone agree?

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Re: 3rd Tourney - 1 or 2 runs
« Reply #57 on: June 12, 2011, 09:29:49 pm »
yep fine with me

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Re: 3rd Tourney - 1 or 2 runs
« Reply #58 on: June 12, 2011, 09:37:53 pm »
aint F1 having any practise/quallify?
if no, then why calling it 'F1' ?

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Re: 3rd Tourney - 1 or 2 runs
« Reply #59 on: June 12, 2011, 10:07:51 pm »
aint F1 having any practise/quallify?
if no, then why calling it 'F1' ?

because of the point system i guess

you dont get any points in knockout

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Re: 3rd Tourney - 1 or 2 runs
« Reply #60 on: June 12, 2011, 10:19:33 pm »
F1 Point System:

1st place    25 points
2nd place    18 points
3rd place    15 points
4th place    12 points
5th place    10 points
6th place    8 points
7th place    6 points
8th place    4 points
9th place    2 points
10th place    1 point




here a video I found about Estonian  :L

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNMUe4MjjvE" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNMUe4MjjvE</a>

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Re: 3rd Tourney - 1 or 2 runs
« Reply #61 on: June 12, 2011, 10:26:51 pm »
Ush I don't think that will work. Having 2 runs in the first tourney was so you had a joker to play, so that if you messed one up, you had the other spare.

The way I see it, this one will only work 2 ways:
- 1 run in an F1 style format - no need for a backup as you can make up for your mistake next race
- 2 runs in a knockout style - if you make a mistake you have 1 more chance. 2 mistakes you're out

everyone agree?

Option 1 is the best imo.

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Re: 3rd Tourney - 1 or 2 runs
« Reply #62 on: June 13, 2011, 12:29:48 am »
Yeah, go with the votes. So F1 style and one run.  :D

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« Reply #63 on: June 13, 2011, 08:26:08 am »
i voted 2 run

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Re: 3rd Tourney - 1 or 2 runs
« Reply #64 on: June 13, 2011, 10:27:51 am »
Yeah, go with the votes. So F1 style and one run.  :D

 :D

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Re: 3rd Tourney - 1 or 2 runs
« Reply #65 on: June 13, 2011, 12:04:11 pm »
WHY FINLAND POLICE FUCK ESTONIA?

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Re: 3rd Tourney - 1 or 2 runs
« Reply #66 on: June 13, 2011, 12:22:43 pm »
WHY GREECE STOLE MY MONEY?

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Re: 3rd Tourney - 1 or 2 runs
« Reply #67 on: June 23, 2011, 08:21:45 pm »
erm i don't really want to restart the argument although i probably will but i only just got around to reading this thread and would it not be easier just to make it a rule that when there are two people living together in the tourney the more skilful one does their race first? i'm not accusing ivey of anything because it's all just speculation but the reason anyone's even accusing him of watching nermal was nermal always doing his run before phil did his. if it was the other way around then no one could really complain.
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Re: 3rd Tourney - 1 or 2 runs
« Reply #68 on: June 23, 2011, 08:36:11 pm »
anyone's even accusing him of watching nermal was nermal always doing his run before phil did his. if it was the other way around then no one could really complain.

i would have

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Re: 3rd Tourney - 1 or 2 runs
« Reply #69 on: June 23, 2011, 08:47:45 pm »
i tried :L :(
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Re: 3rd Tourney - 1 or 2 runs
« Reply #70 on: June 23, 2011, 09:05:02 pm »
to start a war? :(

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Re: 3rd Tourney - 1 or 2 runs
« Reply #71 on: June 23, 2011, 09:06:00 pm »
i thought it made sense :blank:
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Re: 3rd Tourney - 1 or 2 runs
« Reply #72 on: June 23, 2011, 09:07:05 pm »
it did

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Re: 3rd Tourney - 1 or 2 runs
« Reply #73 on: June 24, 2011, 01:04:11 pm »
who record it for me, then send it to me, I practise and I win? C'MON?